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"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Jean-Pierre said. "There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated. There is a rule that the Department of Education [DOE] has put forward, and we're going to let that process move forward, and again, we want to make sure that while we establish guardrails with this rule, we also prevent discrimination, as well, against transgender kids. But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that."

"Absolutely no reason for the Biden admin to do this," New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wrote. "It is indefensible and embarrassing. The admin can still walk this back, and they should. It's a disgrace."

"Honestly, this move by Biden to push a rule on trans kids in sports is not only a backwards betrayal, it [forces] us to have to spend our time dealing with god d*** sports instead of criminal bans on our healthcare," Alejandra Caraballo, a civil rights attorney and LGBTQ+ advocate, wrote. "He could have just done nothing. This is legitimizing transphobia."

The mOsT PrOgReSsIvE Administration in History™ funny-clown-hammer "A complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that" funny-clown-hammer Fuck off out of here with that "centrist" nonsense. There's nothing complicated about it, and it's not an issue unless you want to turn it into one and want to appeal to people's emotions like Republicans are doing. It was only a matter of time before they'd start throwing trans people under the bus. I guess with the coming elections it's as good a time as ever.

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[–] Fibby@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay, so democrats may not be harm reduction, but they'll... checks notes ...look the other way as others cause harm?

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[–] Judge_Jury@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

-cucks

[–] axont@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I remember reading that when Utah did their ban on trans athletes in school sports, there was exactly one trans girl playing in a girls' sport in the whole state. Exactly one. Statewide legislature passing laws focused on one person, a child.

All this scrutiny and transphobia is directed at literal children, many of whom might be the only trans athlete out of millions. Transphobia is such a disgusting thing to me, not only because of the chauvinism and bigotry, but because it's just so senseless. Trans people are already rare enough as it is and also one of the most vulnerable populations in regards to poverty, assault, unemployment, etc. I've seen some statistics saying that only around 1,000 people in America initiate HRT per year. That should give an idea of just how rare and vulnerable trans people are. And now there's a senseless cultural panic just to whip up a few more eyeballs on the spectacle?

Death to America

[–] SlyBlue@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've seen some statistics saying that only around 1,000 people in America initiate HRT per year.

Can I get a source on that? Can't find one myself but I live in the gay city so it might just seem like more

[–] axont@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Found a summary of a 2015 John Hopkins study.

Estimates vary widely but it is believed that between 3,000 and 9,000 Americans undergo sex reassignment surgery each year. Transition medical care can include hormone replacement therapy, mastectomy, plastic surgery, psychotherapy and more.

It doesn't seem like there's a good central source on numbers like this. John Hopkins is a respected medical institution and even they're saying "estimates vary widely" and "It's believed." I think part of it is this isn't recorded in census data and perhaps most trans people who get HRT or GRS are kinda private about it? No idea, but it's still so absurd to me that reactionaries have decided trans people are their mortal enemy now. Trans people are incredibly rare and they're much poorer and more vulnerable than cis people.

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's srs which only like 1-2 percent of trans people get/are able to get

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Maybe 1-2% of Amerikan trans people, where you have to pay out of pocket for a surgery that somehow costs four times as much as you'd pay in Europe.

[–] JohannaChittarra@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Wow! I love having my continued existence being labelled “complicated” by people in high elected offices.

[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Clearly we need to ban all sports until we can figure out and resolve what the fuck is wrong with Americans.

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[–] M68040@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

do not cede ground to the right. for god's sakes, do not cede ground to the right.

[–] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Libs get the wall too.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

And Hillary Clinton says the Democrats focus too much on trans issues. Still have no idea what the hell she's talking about. Have heard more about gay marriage than anything explicitly trans.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Trans people matter, sports don't.

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[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Besides what everyone else is saying in defense of trans rights which are human rights, I want to add a tangential point. I wouldn't ever want my elected representative to think an issue is complicated. I sent you to the executive branch to exercise power on my behalf. Not to exercise fairness, not to exercise @Civility@hexbear.net . No, motherfucker, we WON, fucking act like it. I don't need the issue explained to me, you're not a salesman. You don't propose shit; I do. If you're the one for the job, I vote for you. You are my public servant. I don't know what drivel they taught you for that bullshit law degree, but it's clouded you to the reality that your will, desire, and vision for the country as an elected official is secondary to mine. The issue is not complicated as far as you're concerned; we'll tell you what the answer is.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that.

You don't have to though.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

In fact there should be no respect for the views of bigots

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

In LIB speak calling something "complicated" is just an excuse to take the reactionary position

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It is a complicated issue tho. Some transphobes deserve re-education camps, while others need to get the wall.

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[–] footfaults@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The only reason why anyone cares is because everyone thinks their little Johnny is going to get a sports scholarship, and somehow a trans athlete is taking that away from them. It's yet again another false zero sum situation, where we have yet again pitted groups against each other instead of asking why a college athletic scholarship is the difference between succeeding and failing in this broken system.

If you took the money aspect out of all of this, it just leave only the true transphobes. Like, does anyone get pissed if a trans person gets a perfect score on the SATs? No. Because we all love meritocracy (supposedly). So, this is the only place where transphobia is being tolerated.

EDIT: There will always be transphobes, but I'm saying the people that are reachable (maybe), this is the stupid argument they reach for, so why not interrogate why that argument is even being treated as an argument instead of being correctly identified as just being transphobia with extra layers. Make college free

[–] christiansocialist@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They just need to combined all sports and make them genderless. In cases like boxing just go by weight class, since they do that for men and women's leagues anyways.

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[–] betelgeuse@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just in case anyone from other instances are stopping by, this is how liberal democracy leads to fascism. You have a right wing party that wants to criminalize being trans while tacitly supporting physical violence and extermination. The only viable opposition party can't even use decisive language about the validity and existence of trans people among cis people. Because it might hurt their polling.

Now the strongest, political position from the "left" is "it's complicated." So when the right starts being very clear about violence and carrying it out through official state entities, the new left position will be even more to the right. Because they already gave up on "Trans people should participate in the things cis people do." So it's not even about trans people living a normal life. Historically, by the time we get there, it doesn't matter what the left position is anymore. Because the right has taken over and are putting people in camps.

This is why it's so very annoying to hear about harm reduction and voting the lesser evil. That's not how it works. One hand washes the other. The lesser evil just leads to greater evil getting strong anyways. It doesn't stop it or bide you time. The only lesser evil is violent revolution, which is only evil if you don't understand what's at stake here.

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