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Feel free to do so and run your own server. Blackmailing is childish and non productive by the way. I'm sure most instances will defederate from threads over time but they are looking to federate with mastadon instances more than lemmy/kbin.
Anyway thanks for participating and best of luck.
I support op. We must have zero contact or involvement with anything connected to zucc, musk or evil greedy shits. Ban threads forever.
The entire point of the fediverse is that there is no “we”. Or rather, you can decide which “we” you want to engage with. Look at behaw. When world started exploding with growth, the beehaw instance defederated because they wanted to preserve a smaller community.
I will never sign up for Threads or any other Meta service. However, if the fediverse allows me to interact with my friends and colleagues who have without having to give up all my data to do so, that’s a win in my book.
So feel free to go start or join an instance that defederates from Threads. Just stop expecting everyone else to do so.
You don't give much thought to what Threads wants to do to the fediverse, and your concern is only what benefits yourself in the short term.
Just be aware of that. Many of us older folks have seen this process happen over and over. Threads will start to dictate what activitypub will be, and once it has many millions of users, it gives them power to influence the entire protocol.
And if people don't like that, they will have to come up with a new protocol and start over again. Which is exactly the cycle we are constantly experiencing.
I think we should not let them into our instances. Keep them as a corporate funded version of the fediverse, separate from the ones run by individuals.
But since each instance owner is free to do what they want, I estimate that many will federate with threads and suffer the consequences in the future.
Exactly. I don't want to join Threads, but I'm happy to federate with them.
This is what pisses me off.
They're guaranteed go do something stupid, that's when you ban them.
They can't help themselves, but you can't do things without reasons. Give them 5 minutes to prove themselves what we know they are.
I support defederating from threads too, I despise FB and anything they touch but blackmailing is not going to do anything in the case of OP and it is the wrong way to go about it . I'm on lemmy.world myself and when the time comes I will have the choice to make depending on what this instance does. We all have that choice, that is the benefit of federation.
This is why we should defederate https://infosec.pub/post/400702
I'll say it again...
Threads is a MASTODON-type app. Not Lemmy... Mastodon!
I truly don't understand people in the Lemmy-sphere getting their panties in a bunch over this.
This is true - the bigger impact would be on Kbin instances that are both Threadiverse and Microblogverse facing.
However, if you go on Mastodon you can see Lemmy threads as posts which you can click through to the hosting instance and also boost (but not downvote). So for Lemmy if Threads.net federates, the biggest impact would be exposure of content to Threads users who then come in to Lemmy instances but not logged in or who could boost content and distort things.
For Kbin instances and also Mastodon it could mean being swamped with content from Threads.net.
Personally I do think overall the Kbin/Lemmy/Mastodon servers should probably not federate with Threads.net. The content appears to be poor and it could flood the fediverse with crap, when really it's still small and needs to grow organically. Threads.net is at 70m users already and rising rapidly, while Mastodon is at 8m (1.6m active) and the Threadiverse is more like 130k across Kbin and Lemmy. Mastodon/Kbin/Lemmy need time to establish what it means to be an independent federated social media network. They can always federate with Threads.net in the future - rather than it being Meta's choice, it should be the communities choice if and when they want to federate with a behemoth network.
I would not be surprised that after Twitter, Meta’s next target is Reddit, which is ripe for a serious commercial rival. Meta are probably working on a Reddit replacement, using activitypub and their experience with Threads. If you federate already with Threads, then it is a relatively small step to extend that to Meta’s Reddit killer. Maybe federation with Threads will automatically be extended by Meta to this new app. Give them an inch….
I applaud your efforts for speaking your mind and letting people know of a perceived threat. I’m not sure you’re really asking for a rational discussion on this topic, so I’ll keep this short.
If your ideals do not align with the host you are on, I suggest you look around and fine one that does and/or start your own server.
Well I’m sure many others will also say
“peace”
I don’t think a single one of us came here to see it wrecked or taken over.
That being said, I do not like facebook and likely won’t stay on servers that federate with them. Especially if the instances start abiding by facebooks terms. That’s where I’m drawing the line.
That is the beauty of the Fediverse. You choose your landing and build your aggregation based off that.
A large issue I see is people coming here and expecting privacy to be default. By nature the Fediverse is actually more public than a centralized service would be. There is almost unrestricted access to what you post from anywhere within the Fediverse.
People need to keep this in mind when posting.
Meta coming in and using ActivityPub means there will be rapid changes. It will be up to the open community to decide to go along for the ride or pick which parts of ActivityPub changes make sense to go along with. There is both good and bad in this. The good is Meta is a mature software company who regularly provides upstream changes (i.e. they contribute to the software community). I postulate that the changes they will make including things like design changes for better privacy, security, stability of ActivityPub protocol (if there is any) will be of tremendous benefit to the open community. They may also make design changes that benefit only Meta, and the fear there being the changes are detrimental to the open community. I don’t see that really happening for a few reasons. 1. Someone maintains the ActivityPub spec and retains oversight of changes (anyone know who that is?), 2. Any changes that detriment the open community can be dis-included from the open projects (Mastodon, lemmy, et al.), and community forks would be created. That is overall beneficial as long as it doesn’t fragment a finite resource (developers). 3. More users brought to the Fediverse mean more potential people to get involved in the open communities, e.g. if Meta starts pissing off their user base maybe it’s easier for them to jump ship to Mastodon.
Wait why the hell is lemmy.world federated with Meta anyways? That seems... stupid?
Nobody is federated with Meta because Threads doesn't even support ActivityPub yet. People are getting on their soapboxes and high horses when literally nothing has even happened that would merit this level of histrionics.
Some people need to seriously chill the fuck out.
I think people are justified in having strong emotions on this topic. A good amount of us just came from Reddit, only to waltz right into what feels like another corporate power play. You install smoke detectors before you have a house fire, not during it.
Many of us have been burned by Meta and purposefully choose these more obscure communities, like Lemmy, to stay far away from them. Meta, after all, has waged a worldwide assault on democracy. Meta has aided literal genocide in at least one country. Meta has run undisclosed psychological experiments to see if it could alter the mood of its users and make them depressed, without regard for if children were among the swath of people.
A lot of people are old enough to remember similar takeovers of standards and open protocols, which is why XMPP comes up so often in these discussions. All it takes is one big player with God-levels of money in order to usurp a standard. Google’s done it twice now, for instance. First with XMPP and again with RCS.
Meta deserves zero benefit of doubt. They’ve always been a bad actor and parasite. I don’t buy the conspiracy theory that admins are being paid by Meta. That does seem hysterical.
The most likely reason I’ve heard for Threads embracing ActivityPub (eventually) is to circumvent EU regulations. In which case we shouldn’t be fine with being a pawn and should resist aiding an objectively harmful company from avoiding due regulation.
I understand why people have strong opinions on the matter. That's fine.
However, issuing threats and ultimatums to Lemmy instance admins when 1) nothing has even happened yet, 2) we don't know what federation with Meta would even look like, or 3) if/when it will even happen, is pure foolishness.
Nothing is federated with Threads yet, as Threads hasn't rolled out federation yet.
Moreover, while ActivityPub would grant Threads users the ability to interact with content from groups, the UI does not surface groups, and does not enable clean interactions.
Groups are incredibly spammy on microblogging UIs, and not really a fun experience, so the actual crossover between Threads and ActivityPub groups like Lemmy communities is going to be really small in practice.
The admins were probably paid off. There are people actively defending being federated with Zuck bullshit and they're likely dumb shills or bots too.
I left Reddit specifically to get away from this shit, yet here we are. 🤦
Admins paid off? That's absurd. Lemmy.world are taking a moderate wait-and-see approach. I disagree with that stance, but to insinuate they are corrupt because they aren't as reactionary as you are is ridiculous.
Yeah, someone else the other day also said that the mastodon founder out of all people, was bribed by meta, lmao. And he followed up by saying that because we can't prove it, it must be true. You could prove anything, even that lizard men exist, with that attitude. Just another day in any social media, i suppose.
I think you are the bot here because this can't be true 🤦
They aren't. It's just people want to be outraged
Nobody is federated with threads because threads doesn't even support federation yet and there's no actual ETA for when it'll launch.
Wow yet another purity test person. Now you are trying to hold an instance hostage. Please move on to somewhere else. We don’t need you.
Decentralize anyway. Make an instance with blackjack and hookers and run it exactly how you want.
This feels like a shitpost made just to get some upset reactions for content.
... I will shut down my subs
They have 1 tiny sub. They seem rational enough to know they don't have any sway even if they didn't understand how the fediverse works and thought removing subs was a valid threat.
This is probably just farming reactions for fun
In the immortal words of 19th century philosopher Curly Bill, "Well, bye."
I agree with your stance on Fuckerburg's shitstain of a platform, but please don't make unnecessary infighting within one of the last remaining utopias on the internet please
Ok, have fun.
Someone is full of themselves today 🤣 go make your own instance and run it how you want. Until then, Threads isn’t even federated yet.
I'm probably one of the loudest anti-Zuck voices on this server, but even I think you should probably just leave.
I like that sub too. But another Instance would be a better fit for you.
I've said this on another thread too: can we leave this type of instant escalation of problems behind us? Are you even actually trying to solve a problem or are you just being angry and projecting your anger out onto the site to see who else is angry?
You're out here talking about backroom bribes and threatening to leave if your demand isn't met - it's just a website! It's a cool website, and one I hope succeeds, but still just a website. We do not need to be so angry over it and make accusations with zero evidence to try and drive the outrage machine.
I used to be this angry about internet goings-on and it was unhealthy, I can see by looking back on it now. Let's deescalate a little and maybe talk it out?
Maybe learn the basics of the Fediverse before demanding to undo something that doesn't even exist yet.
I thought the idea of Threads using ActivityPub was great and the exact sort of change that Fediverse fans would want? Most people aren't going to use Lemmy, Mastodon, PixelFed, etc but will likely be on board with Threads. Being able to interact with more people without having to use sketchy services sounds like a win to me.
bye. frankly this post is toxic. if you want to leave then leave but trying to strong arm instance admins over it is low.
Fuckity bye. There's a lot of other instances that don't federate with Threads.
OK.
How to do suggest they defederate from an entity which isn't federating with anyone?
