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When going to use Adobe express on Firefox it comes up with the following message, saying that this browser doesn't play well with others and that I should use Safari, Google Chrome, or Microsoft Edge instead.
Sounds like it's Adobe that doesn't play well with others.
Yeah, Adobe sucks.
“Firefox gives the user too much control, so we decided to introduce incompatibility and then blame it on Firefox. Since we’re a huge software company, we could easily fix this… but we won’t. That’s okay, though, because we wrote a cute error message. Enjoy!”
Firefox blocks our trackings so we won't allow you to use it. Accept our tracking or get lost.
I'd assume Adobe was a bad actor sooner than Mozilla. Adobe is a big-time fan of DRM and dark patterns.
So tired of all the asshat sites that only test in Chrome and call it a day. Did none of them live through the IE-only era of the web??
Firefox and Safari are the sole exception to the monoculture that is the Blink engine. Most developers just use whatever comes in the latest Chromium and call it a day - for them accommodating for less than 20% of the market when they can simply join the 80% is wasting time in the long tail of the Pareto rule. Which is why I loathe Google having so much de facto power on the W3C.
I try to do my part to resist the monoculture by using Firefox everywhere I can, from mobile to my work computers. It's true that I do run into sites that just break because everybody uses Chrome. Well, I'm somebody who isn't using it. I will be the change I want to see in the world, even if in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter.
I love Firefox and have used it for years, but lately it’s development seems troubled. Features aren’t working like they used to, and increasingly they are throwing more bloat at the whole thing.
I worry it’s not long for this world at this rate.
~~Oh yeah, and if the desktop Firefox could just fucking sync my passwords to mobile, that would be great.~~
Gort helped get my logins synced, it’s even working on iOS now, bless this place.
My desktop Firefox syncs my passwords to Firefox for Android quite well.
However, yeah, I do think that Firefox's development over the years has gone a bit awry with the attempt to out-Chrome Chrome. It's still the best browser out there, though.
Switch to Librewolf and Mull
I’d never heard of this so I had to look it up.
Librewolf is an independent, community-led version of Firefox that focuses on privacy, security, and user freedom. It offers advanced privacy and security settings and patches that allow users to increase protection against tracking and fingerprinting.
God bless you for sharing this knowledge with me.
NP. Mull is basically the same for android.
Librewolf is great but the fact they make it so ridiculously difficult to make google the default search engine is soo dumb.
They are definitely sending a message
Windows is such a shitty platform, with each update they force you to use their browser it's insane, the ammount of popups and shit they push onto you it's just crazy. If you browse in windows they sometimes give you web results that you can only see inside of Bing where you get 10 popups to get Edge, now they are introducing some AI Copilot assistant built in into windows that also forces you to use Bing and install Edge in every step you take.
If you want to use Firefox I highly recommend using Linux since Windows is spying to you anway so it's not even worth bothering with not using Edge on there.
I have no idea what Windows does since I use Linux exclusively at home and macOS exclusively at work, but this sounds... unlikely.
Could you clarify a few things?
browse inside windows
Do you mean using the system search thing that's usually used for launching programs? Or so you mean something built in to apps? Or Cortana search assistant (or whatever they call it now)?
Bing
Can you change the default search engine? I use Firefox w/ DuckDuckGo, and I've never used any kind of OS search (I disable it when possible).
Firefox... highly recommend using Linux
Does Windows reach inside Firefox somehow?
And yeah, I get that Microsoft is spying on its users, that's a given, but I don't see how that translates to switching OSes just to use a browser. There are plenty of other reasons to use Firefox aside from some privacy protections (and Firefox really isn't all that private by default, it just blocks some cookies), such as:
What. I'm no Windows fanboy but this is FUD.
Yes, I am sadly well aware of the prevailing situation.
But on the other hand, by and large complete cross-browser HTML compliance is not that hard though. A couple extra couple hours to verify your code works everywhere instead of just the one engine isn't all that huge a sacrifice. I really feel like probably 9 out of 10 companies are putting up barriers to Firefox just because they are lazy not because it doesn't work (or couldn't work with a couple tweaks.)
Most aren't writing fully by hand. They are using automated scripts/snippets provided by their tools.
Thanks Firefox. Adobe is literally a malware. Check with the sysadmin community
Pretty much this TBH. Like, complaining that Adobe doesn't want to support Firefox is like complaining because your Norton Antivirus doesn't like your VPN. It's kinda to be expected.
Combining that with all the anti-Microsoft talk in the thread just makes it funnier to me, as a combination Linux and Windows user who uses almost an entire program suite of free or cheap alternatives to the big names (Krita/Blender/etc. instead of Adobe, Firefox, LibreOffice, etc.)
Am I the weirdo?
Like, complaining that Adobe doesn't want to support Firefox is like complaining because your Norton Antivirus doesn't like your VPN. It's kinda to be expected
I'd say this is different because Firefox is a browser. It renders websites in the (almost) exact same way as Chrome. If OP changed their useragent to a Chrome one, the site would most likely work perfectly fine. But for some reason Adobe went out of their way to block Firefox users
In that you aren't simply pirating the stuff because Adobe's cracked to hell and back? Makes you an outlier I'd bet, but it's not weird.
People need to be spamming regulators, not just the compact. All the compact can do is "work with" websites that don't fuction with Firefox. They have zero authority. Attempting to appeal to these websites, Adobe especially, based on the ideals of the open web is laughable.
We have to accept that companies like Adobe aren't cooporating with Firefox, not because they can't be bothered to support it, but becasue it is hostile to their monitization and therefore deliberatly ignored. I'm also going to put on my tinfoil hat here and guess Microsoft is behind the scenes whispering into every ear they can reach about how forcing all coorporate web use into the Edge browser is more "secure and manageable".
This is something that needs regulatory intervention. Appealing to the corporate framers of the "new" internet is hopeless.
Report to webcompat, and try using a user agent switcher like this one to fool the site into thinking you're using chrome and see how it works
I’m skeptical if it really doesn’t. Maybe it works if you switch the browser’s user agent, maybe.
Switched my browse agent like and it seemed to work fine. Adobe just sucks.
I knew it! They simply hate Firefox because it blocks adobe’s ads.
That’s what I’m leaning towards tbh.
Is that even legal?
Edit: to clarify, is it even legal for a company to block access to a website based on the browser the user chooses, even if there are no apparent technical reasons.
As someone that is the manager of a web app for a FANG company, it’s not easy to support everything. Right now we don’t support Firefox because the APIs we use (and don’t own) don’t support it. To enable support is then dependent on those other companies/teams to add support which can sometimes be years to develop. Chrome is easier to support because it’s based on Safari and so many other browsers use it as well.
This attitude makes my blood boil. Firefox is the last FOSS web-rendering engine standing against your privacy-destroying FAANG oligopoly. If we lose Firefox, the web becomes de-facto privatized.
Some trust-busting is in order. Hopefully Brussels is on the case.
NB: this vituperation is obviously directed to your company, not you personally.
To be clear, this is not an “attitude” or my personal view. This is just the reality of the situation. It takes years to develop comparable tech that allows apps to work across platforms. This is the same reason that Windows is prioritized over macOS, and macOS over Linux. It is just the realities of development and targeting the largest user bases.
Sure. But unless our collective priorities fall from the sky, then this situation must ultimately be the "attitude" of someone or something, right? You describe it in neutral terms as if it we were talking about the weather or something. That is what irritates me. After all, this creeping erosion of software freedom also happens to be in the interests of the FAANG company you work for. Yes, it's "reality", it's a very convenient reality.
How is Chrome based on Safari?
Google used Apples WebKit and is still closely aligned to it.
Edit: So while technically Chrome is not a fork of Safari, they used enough of Apples tech that personally I don’t think it can be considered a uniquely independent product.
