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Trump’s New York case will begin in March

A New York judge ruled Thursday that Donald Trump will stand trial in March on charges related to the Stormy Daniels coverup. Assuming the case goes forward as scheduled, Trump will be the first former president ever to be criminally tried. It will also be the first criminal case to slot in place among the complicated judicial calendar Trump is facing in this election year, and it means Trump will almost certainly face a jury before Election Day. In three other jurisdictions—Georgia state court and federal courts in Florida, and Washington, D.C.—Trump has been indicted on charges related to the 2020 elections and his retention of classified documents, but the timetable for those cases remains unclear.

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[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 122 points 4 months ago

Cheers 🥃

34 indictments in this case, it’s not election interference one’s swamped in political bullshit. This one’s backed up by a mountain of evidence, and the testimony of the lawyer who arranged it and already went to jail for it. That’s right, Trump lawyer and fixer, Michael Cohen, who you might remember for way the fuck back. Remember when we all were saying that this might be the guy who could assfuck and take down Trump? Yeah, well, now that’s finally about to happen.

And, with a solid 1/3 of the total criminal indictments against Trump all in this one trial, at least some of which is likely to result in conviction (due to the fact there’s no way Trump can slide on all 34 charges), this is very likely the beginning of a reversal of luck for Trump. I am finally glad to see it. 

But, we’ll see. I’m cautious, but hopeful. 

[-] Chef@sh.itjust.works 62 points 4 months ago

Be careful with that “no way Trump can slide on all 34 charges” stuff.

All you need is ONE juror to hold their ground and it’s a hung jury. You get one dedicated MAGAt creating an 11-1 hung jury and Señor BuildThaWall can delay prison with mistrial after mistrial.

[-] quackers@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 4 months ago

How do you even have a jury trial for a president? isnt the jury supposed to not have a preexisting opinion of the person being charged?

[-] ProfessorPeregrine@reddthat.com 9 points 4 months ago

From a jury I was being considered for (sexual assault), is not that you have no opinion, it is that you think you can be objective based on the evidence.

[-] Patches@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago

Right which a Magat thinks he will be.

'Fuck your feelings. We use logic over here in the sane world" - Literal Snowflake

[-] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago

Yea that's what I was thinking too. It's more likely a left leaning person recuse themselves for their impartiality than a right leaning person who already thinks Trump is being wrongfully prosecuted.

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[-] SGG@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

Sadly true. However given jury selection is a thing, you can bet that prosecution did their best to weed out any overly biased jurors.

I mean, nothing is perfect (it's humans all the way down, and humans are flawed), but for a trial like this you can bet both sides went over everyone with the biggest magnifying glass they could find.

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[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

One of the cases in NY his lawyers failed to request a jury trial, and is being adjudicated by the judge who clearly has no love for the defendant, and seems to be doing everything he can to avoid an appeal, much less a mistrial. That one is sticking .

[-] frezik@midwest.social 13 points 4 months ago

That was a civil trial, not criminal.

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[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That’s true, but in every case against him with a jury so far, he’s still lost, even though a few jurors were trump supporters. When presented with the evidence in a forum where they have to listen, where that evidence wasn’t filtered through their lunatic talking heads, and where they couldn’t immediately run to their extremist forums to filter and reinterpret it for them, they’ve realised that oh yeah, this guy is a criminal and they’ve been duped.

I’m not concerned about rogue jurors. Many of his supporters can come back to reality when that reality is no longer filtered through a bullshit lens. Watch The Brainwashing of My Dad on ~~Netflix~~ (e: it’s no longer on Netflix. So Freevee, Prime, or Apple TV, I guess. I added the IMdB link, which includes places to watch it now). It covers much of that effect.

[-] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

This is one indictment, with 34 counts. And it's probably worth noting that if he were to be convicted, the charges would likely be consolidated at sentencing; 34 counts does not mean that he would be sentenced to 34x as much jail time. Not to mention that since these all stem from the same set of facts, it's most likely all or nothing.

[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago

At his age and health, only a couple of years would effectively be a death sentence.

Having to live in a cell without his luxuries, entourage, and Diet Coke button would break him pretty quickly. He’d likely have a heart attack from the stress and indignation far before even a short sentence was over.

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[-] ThePantser@lemmy.world 100 points 4 months ago

This guy has so many 'firsts', too bad they are all horrible firsts that no one should have ever done.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 48 points 4 months ago

I hope his next”first” is “ex president sent to prison.”

And his last is “first ex president to die in prison”

[-] NovaPrime@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 months ago

I'm still holding out for first presidential candidate to croak weeks from election day

I hope he has a stroke from his gluttonous lifestyle and gets locked in syndrome for at least 5 years.

Being physically unable able to communicate would be the worst punishment imaginable for him.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

If we set up a go fund me to buy him hamberders… we could maybe get that done

[-] Jackcooper@lemmy.world 71 points 4 months ago

Is there any chance on earth that he actually goes to jail for even a day?

[-] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 4 months ago

I think it's way more likely that he gets sentenced to house arrest, which he could serve at Mar a Lago. The other option is to have Secret Service agents following him around inside a prison trying to protect him from the other inmates (and possibly the guards), and I don't think either the prisons or the Secret Service want to deal with that.

[-] Weirdmusic@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago

Actually they could throw him in a maximum security prison and condem him to solitary confinement (for his own protection you know) and that would negate the need for the Secret Service

[-] ouRKaoS 21 points 4 months ago

The Secret Service would still need to be around to protect him from the guards & the ghost of Epstein.

[-] DrDeadCrash@programming.dev 19 points 4 months ago

Maybe a disgraced ex president shouldn't receive an honor guard?

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[-] mriguy@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

"Yeah, he's a convicted felon, but we can't put him in jail because that would inconvenience the Secret Service."

Nope. Sorry it's a burden for them, but they can figure it out. Make a prison out of the brig on an abandoned military base in the middle of nowhere with him as the only prisoner. It worked for Rudolph Hess.

It's really not even that big of a burden. They already have wings for people like former cops and child molesters, so he'll fit in nicely. They'll just need a chair for the SS detail.

[-] quackers@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 4 months ago

Prison is for poor people, not presidents. I think most people understand that not everyone is equal under the law at this point in time.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Ulysses S. Grant set the precedent that a sitting president can be prosecuted in 1872 while he was president, and got pulled over, for the third time, for "speeding on a horse inside the city limits of Washington DC." He told the officer that attempted to let him go, that Congress had literally passed article 1983 the previous year, and that even The POTUS doesn't have immunity. Sure it was a speeding ticket, but that's still precedent, with a statute to back it up.

The statute in question needs to be reviewed by The SCOTUS, as they were provided incorrectly edited wording of that statute, ommiting 16 crucial words of the law, in the case of Harlow vs. Fitzgerald in 1982, and illegally set up the Qualified Immunity Doctrine.

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[-] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

For this? No. For the Georgia case? It's a real possibility if he doesn't get elected.

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[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 16 points 4 months ago

None at all. As a last resort they'll (successfully) make a incompetency plea, which is true. The man isn't competent enough to tie his shoes without adult supervision.

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

In a sane world, an incompetency plea would bar someone from office

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

That would mean:

Too incompetent to be found guilty of a crime, but still somehow competent enough to hold arguably the most important position in the world.

Please make it make sense.

[-] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

That's not how incompetency pleas work.

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[-] stoly@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Yes, but not in this case. Some of the other cases will get him there and it will be glorious.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

The most likely situation is barred from running for President while he continues to spew lies and vitriol from the sidelines. We also can’t ignore the possibility of his progeny running for office thanks to the dynastic view these scumbag wealthy types tend to take of their money and power.

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[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

No. Best we can hope for is to bog him down in appeals and lawsuits, till his heart pops from a big Mac

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago

Particularly enjoyable is no more of this jet-setting on campaign bullshit in lieu of sitting in a series of dreary courtrooms for the rest of his days

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[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

Repercussions make us all better people. Hope you enrich your life soon Trump [hopefully, in jail].

[-] AingealDash@lemmings.world 13 points 4 months ago

Well somebody had to be first and I'm pretty sure he has a Ricky Bobby mindset.

[-] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 13 points 4 months ago

Good for him! I always knew he could do it

[-] Rinna@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

Really shouldnt of been the first though, considering all the prior presidents who had some hand in war crimes while in office.

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