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I'm done, I've been banned for expressing a different opinion (without insulting or personally attacking anyone), I've been accused of evading a ban with multiple accounts (this is my only account I've ever had on any lemmy instance), I've had people selectively ignore my comments and accuse me of things which I never said, and I've had people ignore valid criticisms and keep attacking me.

Reddit has many issues with trolls, one-sided discussion, and just general bullshit, but many Lemmy instances are way worse. The newfound freedom of Lemmy has attracted many extremists, from both sides, and many of them are moderators, who are more than happy to remove any contrarian opinions. This results in discussions being echo chambers

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[–] echo64@lemmy.world 129 points 8 months ago (13 children)

Lemmy (and reddit to a degree) is not like other social networks where you are lumped into one giant community. It's many communities, and you'll find that you are welcome in some and not welcome in others. That includes your politics and your views.

I don't think I'd be very welcome in a community of conspiracy nuts, especially when I counter everything they say. I think they would remove me from that community at some point, and that's okay, self policing of communities is okay. Sometimes you aren't welcome.

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 33 points 8 months ago

Yes and that's what I like about Lemmy. Each community decides what it's about and how it's members behave. It's not much different from communities in real life.

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[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 106 points 8 months ago (12 children)

Is this an unpopular opinion? My block list on Lemmy is like 4 times bigger than it was on Reddit.

[–] nodsocket@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago (4 children)

More freedom means more spam and propaganda.

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[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago (7 children)

My block list is extremely large too. It seems someone wants to make a community for everything no matter now niche it is. And so many random anime comms I have to block as I am not a anime fan. I get the message when browsing all "you have blocked all posts on page x" so often it's become an annoyance.

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[–] RustyShackleford@literature.cafe 12 points 8 months ago

This, there’s some crazy people no matter where you go.

For example, yesterday some loon was attacking another poster because he viewed it as, anti-American. Suffice to say, it was not and he misconstrued what was said and he was humanly incapable of admitting wrongdoing. His response was to make burner accounts and downvote bomb the user.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 62 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Hold up... If this is your one and only Lemmy account, and it's banned... How are you making this post?

According to the modlogs: the only action ever taken against you by a mod or admin was having a single post removed. I don't agree with the reason that it broke rule 1 though... I don't agree with what you said because it's misinformed, but what you said was not racist.

So you're lying either about not having other accounts and evading a ban, or about how you've been banned or how often you've had content removed.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 39 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

Modlog is weird. There is a possibility he's been banned from an instance and that's what he meant.

When I was banned from StarTrek.Website I had no idea. It didn't show in Lemmy.world logs, only ST.W ones

Edit: Yep. He was banned from lemmy.ml. Funny enough, that should actually improve his lemmy experience.

[–] Thrashy@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Banned from Lemmygrad Lite? What a terrible loss!

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[–] Ignacio@kbin.social 44 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Here are some small pieces of advice for you, and anyone else who is interested:

  • Block Lemmygrad.ml, because fascists.

  • Block Lemmy.ml, because admins are fascists.

  • Block Hexbear.net, because fascists and trolls.

  • Block any user from Lemmygrad.ml, Hexbear.net, and the usual suspects from Lemmy.ml.

That's it. 90% of toxicity is no more.

[–] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 11 points 8 months ago (19 children)

You have a strange definition of fascism. I've poked around in those instances to see what the fuss is about. They're super far left and very much ideologically opposed to fascism. They're something weird, but they're definitely not fascists.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago (11 children)

They idolize left authoritarians. And their talking points are summed up by if "the west" says it, the opposite is true. And they will argue with you.

So fascism is a term that is thrown around incorrectly a lot, blocking these people does help improve your Lemmy experience.

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago (5 children)

They support Russia and the CCP, both of which have the warning signs of Fascism. Even if you want to call it something else, doesn't change that it's terrible.

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[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (7 children)

They aren't left in any meaningful way. Let alone far left. What they are is wildly hypocritical and authoritarian. While they are technically not fascists. Realistically they're nearly identical. They are both both authoritarian ideologies. With no room for any meaningful right or left. And should you dissent you will find yourself silenced or killed just the same as any other authoritarian/fascist government structure.

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[–] OpenStars@startrek.website 27 points 8 months ago

There is one MAJOR difference: here you can make not only your own sub/community, where you can be your own mod, but you can spin up your own whole entire instance, and become your own admin. Oh Reddit, you serve The Man (spez) or you can GTFO - so we did the latter:-P (some perhaps due to being kicked out of their former mod role bc of the protests) - but here, nobody can tell us what to do, in the end.

Ofc there are limits even there, like someone can defederate from you if you refuse to control yourself, even unintentionally like if you don't follow basic security and constantly get hacked.

It's like being able to own your own home. When you visit a community on someone else's instance, you are their GUEST, and you have to follow THEIR rules. The homeowner owns the community while the mayor or governor or President or Prime Minister or whatever controls the entire city / state / country or in this case "instance". Right or wrong, it's THEIRS, so your options are limited - you don't get to just walk into someone else's HOME and tell them what to do!?

But here, unlike Reddit, on your own personal computer (desktop machine even, doesn't need a whole "server") you can make your own place. From there, you could invite others... or not, as you choose. Inside your own home, unless you do something that may cause the police (like FBI) to come knocking, you control yourself, and also you have the responsibility and right to kick off anyone you choose who refuses to play by the rules that YOU set forth.

So do whatever you want. Ofc others have the same freedom too.

[–] summerof69@lemm.ee 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oh, Lemmy is much worse in this regard. There are a lot of "normal" discussions on reddit, with a lot of "normal" users participating in them. Here the ratio of extremists is much higher.

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[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago

This really isn’t unpopular. If anything I would say this is the more popular opinion

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I agree, it is impossible to hold a contrarian view in a lot of subs. The mods and the user base on Lemmy have a very narrow range of their views than the spectrum that you find on Reddit. It is basically an echo chamber in a lot of subs.

The active user base is also soo much smaller that a handful of posters can be seen in certain subs. I see the same people posting over and over at a much higher rate than I saw on Reddit.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago (14 children)

So are you posting good content to help the issue? Or are you just posting "contrarian" opinions?

I've never had a problem being banned and I argue with Tankies and Right Wing Chuds all the time (well I mostly just block the Chuds). It sounds like your comments are just bad enough to warrant a block.

I have detailed comments about how both Hamas and the IDF are bad. Here's one: "Hamas is a criminal organization that is terrible at government. It's Israel's fault for letting them grow to be so dangerous. The IDF and Hamas are both bad for the people of Palestine and Israel."

No ban!

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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

I get your frustration. I’ve seen a few of your posts around, and seen some people harp on you because of what they perceive to be your politics. I personally haven’t delved into your posting history, but (take this with a grain of salt) you may need to develop a thicker skin online.

People feel more empowered to say what they feel online - just like you’ve been doing. It’s easy and you are fairly shielded with your online identity. Mods and admins have this privilege as well, and fair or not, you do have to abide by their rules or leave.

Sometimes that’s a hard pill to swallow. Nobody likes to accept defeat; especially when they feel passionately about something.

Good luck with whichever direction turn you choose to go.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

And everyone says to just ban or block, but the problem is they're brainwashing people that don't know to look out for it They need to not exist; not for us to just hide from them.

Thank you for this post. It's become unbearable and I felt like I was in a tiny minority for feeling this way.

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[–] 50_centavos@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Block whole communities. That's what I started doing. There's one instance that I would like to block but that feature isn't available yet as far as I'm aware. Reddit was the same way around 10 years ago, it's been pruned and censored to the point where it's more appealing to the average worldwide user. I don't want that to happen to Lemmy; not to sound dismissive, but utilize your block list instead of calling for more/better mods.

[–] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

Unfortunately Lemmy.world hasn't moved to version 0.19.x or else you would have the ability to block instances

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[–] Demigod787@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

2 months ago I had my main Reddit account banned because I reported someone for inciting violence. They literally said word for word "they should just go into Gaza and kill them all, women, children, all deserve death after today." I reported him and went on about my day only to find that I was permanently banned from Reddit, no appeals work and this on r/WorldNews not some weird niche subreddit.

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[–] Sensitivezombie@lemmy.zip 14 points 8 months ago

While Reddit is mainstream, Lemmy is populated by the fringe. The mass exodus didn't occur by the mainstream, and people with moderate views. It was people with more extreme views from various fronts (privacy, anti-corporation, etc). If Lemmy's and Fediverse growth continues, it will too become mainstream thereby attracting people with mainstream, moderate views.

[–] ZugZug@sh.itjust.works 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't think there is anything reddit could do to draw me back. It's digg all over again.

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[–] willya@lemmyf.uk 13 points 8 months ago

This is why you don’t keyboard warrior politics online. Unless you’re in your own echo chamber this is what happens. In the end no one has gained anything and no change has happened in the world whether you made your point or not or whether your take was removed or not. It’s all pointless.

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

Lemmy and reddit were always the same, it's the same people. Lemmy is arguably more free, but that could be for better or for worse.

Lemmy is reddit without the need to please advertisers, but it's all the same people

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 13 points 8 months ago

“Both sides” is a pretty gross over-simplification of the Human Condition.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Every topic has an opinion where the majority of people share that opinion. If you go against that opinion on reddit, you go to a niche sub or accept being drowned out. Here, due to the smaller population, there isn't a viable way to maintain niche subs. That means we have to see each other's opinions, thus you see arguments from polar opposites... Echo chambers?

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 13 points 8 months ago

Yeah if you're complaining about "extremists from both sides" surely that's a sign that you're NOT in an echo chamber and are seeing lots of different opinions.

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 12 points 8 months ago

lemmy.ml isn’t the entire fediverse, but it does account for most of the silliness that I find.

[–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

It’s made of the same people. Same jackasses, same dipshits, same echo chamber circlejerkers.

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