31.000+ lifes just gone. That's my hometown and more and that's only killed soldiers of one side and all because one man and his delusions of grandeur
this post was submitted on 25 Feb 2024
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Both sides will never say the exact numbers. That's how this goes. It's in both interest that actual numbers stay as secret as possible. But I do think that Russian losses are in the 1 to 3 or 1 to 5 range, in Ukraine's favor, just because the meat grind attacks in Adiivka and Bachmut alone.
EDIT: clarifying the numbers
400k Russians are not in the fight anymore. That number has been confirmed. Even doubling the Ukrainian numbers makes this whole thing utterly staggering...that would be 1 to 6. But the 31k? 1 to 12....12!! For every dead Ukrainian, Russia pays with 12 of their own...
I have a hard time doubting Ukraines estimated Russian casualties.
They have posted video after video of Russia assaults with 5-8 APC's with a tank or two being absolutely demolished.
I wonder what the life expectancy of fresh troops are now. I doubt they can get experienced troops to leave their trenches and rear positions. So you know it's some conscript from a remote impoverished town being sent in meat waves to the front.
Same, I have a very hard time as well doubting those. Let alone for the fact, that being on the defensive will always help, home turf and all as well, all those tanks not killing their crew instead of the russian wannabe space-turrets.
Another point of how badly the Russians are doing is how fiercely their propaganda is trying to spin them being the best and Ukraine having already lost. Noticed the uptick of that shit in the last days pretty significantly...
yeah, at the first attempts of encircling avdiivka, with literal meatgrinding tactics (mtlbs dropping troops into the middle of if russian bodies and then running over them, repeatedly), it made it pretty obvious the russian army really don't give a fuck about their troops. Maybe not as bad as wagner but on a larger scale.
As Churchill said, "In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies"
Neither side is giving accurate information.
there's no reason to doubt him.. Ukraine hasn't tried any mindless, meat grinder offensives, and the front line hasn't moved against Ukraine significantly since about the 6 month mark.. there's no reason to believe they've lost many more than that, while it's easy to believe the Russians have lost 10 times that number or more.. most of the Ukrainian casualties have been innocent civilians.. babies, women, children, etc.. the Russians have not shown themselves capable of defeating Ukrainian military units..
there’s no reason to believe they’ve lost many more than that
While I do believe the official numbers that the Ukrainian government has released, it's also important to note that these do not include military personnel that are missing in action. The actual number of dead is still unknown and likely will remain so until the war is over.
the point is, the Ukrainians are actually working to get and report an accurate number
while it’s easy to believe the Russians have lost 10 times that number or more
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This war is a fascinating case study with how easily people believe whatever they want with no information to back it up.
how many Russians?
It's nearly 500 000 now. Insane.
Ukraine claims north of 400k, which is undoubtedly optimistic, but allied intelligence agencies have previously floated numbers around 1/2 to 2/3rds of Ukraine's public claims, which is still an utterly appalling number of dead Russian men. Russia's tactical approach from the start has been more or less to treat their mobilized conscripts as expendable. For politically-important objectives their commanders have been perfectly happy to dump fresh meat into the metaphorical meat grinder until the gears jam, and then claim victory.
Is that casualties or killed? They're not the same.
Casualties, but apparently the deaths are more than 50% confirmed - in the end, it doesn't matter though, because russian field medicine is such a shit show, I highly doubt a single one of those 450k+ will ever fight again. So they are the same.
Russia standard procedures seems to be to put a bandaid on the wounded and send them back, or else leave them where they lay. They are not using the modern battlefield medicine practices that resulted in higher ratios of wounded to dead in most modern Western warfare.
I think that was just casualties. This is Ukraine talking about strictly dead people.
"Official" numbers, what's the real amount we will see at the end of the war..