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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 78 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Instead of sending messages home in binary code, Voyager 1 is now just sending back alternating 1s and 0s. Dodd's team has tried the usual tricks to reset things — with no luck.

It looks like there's a problem with the onboard computer that takes data and packages it up to send back home. All of this computer technology is primitive compared to, say, the key fob that unlocks your car, says Dodd.

"The button you press to open the door of your car, that has more compute power than the Voyager spacecrafts do," she says. "It's remarkable that they keep flying, and that they've flown for 46-plus years."

Wow. I mean, yeah, but. Crazy.

[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 80 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's not remarkable they keep flying. They're in space, just moving along their vector.

It is remarkable they keep operating though.

[–] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

46 years of radiation, dust, and passing through the heliopause makes it pretty amazing that it's still flying and not an irradiated ball of welding spatter.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago

Space is super empty. Not hitting anything that would change its path or physically destroy isn't that wild.

Most stuff destroyed by time on earth is erosion or microbial breakdown, which isn't an issue in space.

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Especially seeing the original flight plan was for 5 years.

[–] isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] anubis119@lemmy.world 68 points 9 months ago (16 children)

Voyager 1 is almost one light day away, and now my brain hurts thinking about it.

[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How many hard days is that?

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 18 points 9 months ago

Roughly just under one work day.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 18 points 9 months ago

Pluto is only about 4.5 light hours away on average

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[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago (5 children)

It's going to be like that Star Trek episode where they find Voyager and it's evolved and achieved sentience.

[–] clgoh@lemmy.ca 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not an episode, the Motion Picture.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Ehh, they're right and wrong. Nomad from the episode with the same title is the early version of what eventually became the plot concept for Vger in Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Is there any reason we haven't built a craft specifically to be slung out of the solar system as quickly as possible?

IIRC Voyager wasn't built for this, it's just a bonus that they're still semi operational.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Space travel is very expensive and NASA has a very small budget these days.

Back during the space race, NASA could afford to launch multiple missions per year. Now they can barely afford to maintain existing missions and are lucky to launch a major missions every few years. Which is why they’ve moved to buying space on commercial missions, as it’s cheaper to only pay for a spot on a rocket/craft than to pay for the whole thing.

NASA also has to justify its missions to congress. Sending rovers to mars and probes to the moons of Jupiter and Saturn have actual scientific interest and can answer questions about the formation of the solar system, and the viability of life off of earth.

Slingshotting something really fast sounds cool as fuck, but there’s not much data to be gathered there. We’ve also recently beaten the “fastest man made object” record with the Parker Solar Probe, as it’s currently whipping around the sun at ludicrous speeds while it collects data about the solar atmosphere and magnetic fields. It’s moving a lot faster than voyager ever did, as it needs an insane amount of speed to orbit so low to the sun. It’s actually much cheaper, fuel wise, to travel to Pluto than the sun.

So why waste billions of dollars to fling something out into deep space? We have barely even seen all Of the celestial bodies in our own star system, and there’s not much to be learned about the empty vacuum beyond the sun. The only justifiable reason would be to send a probe to another star system entirely. But that probe alone would have to be the largest, most expensive space craft humanity has ever built. It would need to be able to power itself for centuries, have a communication system capable of sending data over interstellar distances, and likely need a way to autonomously harvest its own fuel, as there’s very little point in sending a probe screaming past Proxima Centauri and taking a few hazy pictures of planets as it goes. We’d want the probe to be able to stay in and explore the new star system, and the only way to do that is to have enough fuel to move around an entire system, or create more fuel as it goes. Something like that has never even been tried before, and the risk is high when you won’t know if it worked or not for a few hundred years.

[–] evranch@lemmy.ca 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I believe there was a case made to chuck something out perpendicular-ish to the ecliptic to see what shape the heliopause and solar wind take out there, what gases are kicking around etc. Maybe check out one of the high inclination objects kicking around out there as they tend to be odd ones. Almost all exploration has been done in-plane for obvious reasons.

Commercial launch providers have made launching everything way cheaper, so I can see an agency doing this one someday even if it has to take a pile of gravity assists from the sun. As a bonus you also get a new Voyager traveling in a new direction.

I also can see a lot of people being confused as to why it couldn't take pictures of the solar system from up there that look like the textbooks... Possibly creating a whole new generation of flat-earth-esque conspiracies lol

[–] Liz@midwest.social 8 points 9 months ago

I want them to actually chuck a handful of small spacecrafts as far as they possibly can in orthogonal directions, then have them take parallax images for the nearest pulsars we don't have direct distance measurements of. It would be nice to push back the sphere of distances we've measured that way.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Interesting insight, thank you.

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 9 points 9 months ago

Another important factor with the Voyager probes is that they got their solar escape velocity with the help of a very fortunate alignment of the outer planets that only happens once every 176 years. It was much cheaper to fling something out that far under those conditions, and we won't see them again until 2153.

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[–] Gork@lemm.ee 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (10 children)

Is it possible that cosmic rays beyond the heliopause have damaged (bit-flipped) the radiation-hardened circuitry on board the spacecraft? That might cause it to start jibbering nonsense.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Or, and hear me out, aliens...

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

There are a number of possibilities. We likely will never know what actually happened. A bit flip would be bad, but potentially fixable. If they can somehow force a reset. It could also be simple component failure, a bad capacitor, in the wrong place, and your computer goes haywire. Ditto for mechanical damage. A grain of dust, hitting the wrong point could cause a cascade of problems.

The backup systems are long dead. The fact they've managed to extend the mission life by 41 years is quite incredible. It was never expected to last this long.

God speed V'ger!

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[–] tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

I guess it reached the limit of the sky box, there's nothing running on the simulation after that.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I volunteer to go up there, fix it, change the batteries, install Doom. And don't worry about the 'fuel to get home' issue.

[–] Pringles@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

... sentient Lusty Argonian Maid AI from the future capable of altering space-time ... would probably be more fun as a holodeck simulation than a real encounter.

What wound the plate read?

STY GON

[–] northendtrooper@lemmy.ca 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Crazy that after all this time we can still communicate with Voyager 1. Even though it is babbling back now.

[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's actually not all that hard. They just have to blast it with a radio signal strong enough from Earth for it to hear and they have to have really big dishes on earth in order to hear it.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

As an electrical engineer who dabbled in RF in school, that sounds supremely difficult.

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Insert ill-advised and tasteless dementia joke here...

[–] SteefLem@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago
[–] vermyndax@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

VGER is coming back.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 10 points 9 months ago

Someone got to run an AI model on it and it's hallucinating.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 8 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The last time Stamatios "Tom" Krimigis saw the Voyager 1 space probe in person, it was the summer of 1977, just before it launched from Cape Canaveral, Florida.

"It basically stopped talking to us in a coherent manner," says Suzanne Dodd of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, who has been the project manager for the Voyager interstellar mission since 2010.

So to try to fix Voyager 1's current woes, the dozen or so people on Dodd's team have had to pore over yellowed documents and old mimeographs.

"They're doing a lot of work to try and get into the heads of the original developers and figure out why they designed something the way they did and what we could possibly try that might give us some answers to what's going wrong with the spacecraft," says Dodd.

Linda Spilker, who serves as the Voyager mission's project scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, says that when she comes to work she sees "all of these circuit diagrams up on the wall with sticky notes attached.

Mission managers have turned off heaters and taken other measures to conserve power and extend the Voyager probes' lifespan.


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[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Geek out question: is radiation much of a factor in degradation given:

  • It's moving further away from the Sun
  • It's traveling down solar wind so the total exposure is less than something in solar orbit

And how damaging is background cosmic radiation compared to our Sun's?

Fun to ponder

[–] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 months ago

Inevitable, but sad none the less.

Crossing my fingers for the engineering and science teams.

[–] aleonem 4 points 9 months ago

posting from vger.app, sad to see its namesake will have this fate

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

It sounds like it's time for us to sit Voyager 1 down and have an intervention.

[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

A job well done for the ancient probes 🫡

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