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An early burst of patriotic fervor saw draft centers swamped with volunteers, but that has waned with Vladimir Putin’s war in its third year.

The 28-year-old is one of thousands of young Ukrainian men keeping their heads down, dodging conscription and avoiding registering their details as required. Artem is cautious when he ventures out, and avoids places like metro stations where police mount document checks looking for draft-dodgers.

“Some of my friends are more paranoid — they never go out,” he says.

Artem has the air of a fugitive, with his baseball cap pulled down firmly and shielding his eyes even on an overcast day. Before entering the coffee house in downtown Kyiv to meet with POLITICO he gazes up and down the street, and once seated talks in a low voice so as not to be overheard.

When Russia invaded their country two years ago, young and old Ukrainians swamped recruitment centers to volunteer. Some were frustrated not to be drafted immediately, and complained loudly. The Ukrainian military couldn’t take everyone owing to a lack of resources and equipment, but managed to muster new units, expand established ones and improvise to halt Russian armor bearing down on Kyiv.

But that early burst of patriotic fervor has waned with the war now in its third year, the body bags filling, and men returning home injured and disfigured.

Pessimism about the future of the conflict is also taking hold, with ever more people questioning whether Ukraine is capable of defeating Moscow's forces.

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[-] De_Narm@lemmy.world 107 points 3 months ago

I have nothing but respect for people risking their lifes to fend off Russia. It is probably more important than any individual life.

That being said, I have nothing but sympathy for any draft-dodger. I couldn't imagine fighting in a war and I myself would hide as well. That may change if I'd have kids, but even still, I would never wish upon anyone to be forcefully drafted.

[-] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 29 points 3 months ago

We all know how the Russians treat the areas and civilians that they capture though, so they are hoping someone else will protect them from that fate, so they don't have to. If it ends up that there weren't enough people to do it, they will end up hoping they'd helped defend it too, but at that point it will be too late.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Either way, they are trying to avoid being canon fodder for yet another greedy sociopath with illusions of grandeur, in a long line of them stretching back further than recorded history.

They're damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

[-] Guadin@k.fe.derate.me 43 points 3 months ago

This is something that happens in every war, but it's difficult in this particular one since there is a very slim chance other countries will come to the rescue. So it's all up to the Ukrainians themselves to cope with this thread/war.

[-] bitwaba@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Yeah, Russia is shaping up for a summer push. Ukraine need all the people they can get at the moment, including western help.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I like to think it's psyop, Russia thinking they're short on troops only to push into a freshly thawn Ukraine would be disastrous.

[-] bitwaba@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Summer, not spring. By June they should be adequately thawed.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

I've a sprinkler and a long garden hose, they're Russian conscripts so they probably won't know the difference.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

It's not really that. Ukraine has a shitty rotation policy which basically states "you are in till you die". They don't really release soldiers which you need to do to keep getting volunteers. Hearing "you are in for a year, then you can go home" is way prefferrable to "no you can't go back till the war is over".

[-] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 43 points 3 months ago

Draft dodging is such a hateful term.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago

It's time for the world to step up and put boots on the ground against evil.

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago

Every country in Europe "By all means, after you"

[-] ConditionOverload@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Everyone everywhere pretty much. This is war. I wouldn't blame anyone at all for not wanting to fight.

[-] Alteon@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

France it seems is the only one courageous enough to make the first move. They will likely have boots on the ground within the next few months.

https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20240322-france-military-chief-backs-macron-over-possibility-of-sending-troops-to-ukraine-war

[-] dezmd@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Every country in Europe after Russia spreads their war beyond Ukraine "Help"

[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

So many things their allies could be doing better before we even need to consider boots on the ground. A good start would be to give them the equipment those boots would have at their disposal if boots were put to ground. With adequate artillery, air defense, and air craft they'd be suffering far less casualties.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 1 points 3 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The Ukrainian military couldn’t take everyone owing to a lack of resources and equipment, but managed to muster new units, expand established ones and improvise to halt Russian armor bearing down on Kyiv.

Since the Russian invasion two years ago around 9,000 draft-evasion proceedings have been opened, according to the Ukrainian interior ministry, but that's just scratching the surface of the draft-dodging and the evasion of registration so enlistment notices can't be issued.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has acknowledged that the issue is “sensitive.” Even in the weeks leading up to Russia's February 2022 invasion, he resisted calls from opposition lawmakers in Kyiv to announce a general call-up.

It has stalled in the parliament, however, with lawmakers objecting to some punitive measures they regard as unconstitutional, such as restricting the property rights of draft-dodgers, impounding their cars and blocking their bank accounts.

“You have officers going on television saying if we don't get more money and ammunition from the United States and Europe everyone at the front is going to get killed in a matter of weeks because the Russians produce many drones and have more shells,” Kniazhytskyi fumed.

Their relatives want the same thing: On Sunday, dozens of families of frontline soldiers crowded into Kyiv’s Maidan Square to demand their husbands, fathers and boyfriends be relieved from combat, arguing they’ve done their bit and now must be demobilized or given considerable rest and relaxation.


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