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[-] SauceBossSmokin@lemmy.world 104 points 3 months ago

Ignore the polls. Get out and vote blue like our democracy depends on it.

[-] Spacebar@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago

...because it does. It really does.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

There's only one party I can get myself to vote for, and that's democrats. I can't imagine calling one viable party a democracy. Adding in a batshit insane party doesn't expand my options.

[-] docAvid@midwest.social 14 points 3 months ago

Our democracy is deeply broken, but it is a democracy. If we lost it, you'd just get the batshit insane party candidate put directly in, and they could do whatever they wanted.

[-] HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Sounds a lot like the plan the batshit insane party currently has

[-] zammy95@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

It just gets me more excited, I don't know anyone who was polled for this and all my friends are Penn Democrats. Would love for the actual day to blow the polls out of the water

[-] stanleytweedle@lemmy.world 90 points 3 months ago

Fuck polling. Get out and vote.

[-] meyotch@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 months ago

I mean, I just admitted to lying to pollsters at every opportunity in another post. I know I am not the only one who wants to watch the world burn. I want the polls to be unreliable!

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago

Brandon 2024. Fuck the republican traitor filth.

[-] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago

Dark Brandon let's gooooo

[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 3 months ago

Oh oh oh but I thought the wall street journal just said biden was losing bigly..... how could this possibly be true????

Polls are inherently biased and totally useless until the actual election.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Oh, we're trusting polls now?

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

At best a poll is just a time stamped data photo. No use in getting worked up.

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Only this one, back to hating the next one that says Trump is beating Biden. Those are the ones that can't be trusted

[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

As with others, I also say ignore the polls. Even done right, we're a bit too far to say how it'll go. And they generally aren't done right. But here's a rant anyway, since it's on my mind:

Pay attention to who is asked, and pay attention to the margin of error. The latter is just a simple truth about sampling error: small-ish samples get a lot of noise, especially with yes/no statements. I've actually seen news report statistically insignificant findings before, especially if it fit their narrative (what otherwise should be rejected as too close to call). These can be false positives, but pundits aren't exactly scientists and there's incentive to report it anyway.

But, the biggest issue is validity. Two forms matter here: external validity is in regards to if results generalize correctly (e.g. a poll using only land lines means you exclude a large chunk of people, ruining generalizability); and construct validity, which is if the question/meteic used is really getting at the researchers question. Such as, if a question includes different language or has something prime answers, like asking questions about Gaza and then asking about Biden may lead to different results than asking about abortion rights and then asking about Biden. (One can argue this is reliability, and it is, but the two concepts are related and you can't have validity without reliability).

Plenty of well meaning pollsters fall into both traps, either from lack of resources or lack of critical thinking about metrics used. Doing it right also requires control over confounding variables, which requires advanced models they simply don't know how to use.

That's my little PSA while I get ready to teach my stats class this evening, haha.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 3 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The survey, conducted by Franklin & Marshall College between March 20 and 31, revealed that Biden leads Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee for the 2024 presidential election, with 48 percent of the vote share, compared to 38 percent.

The Franklin & Marshall College poll showed that Biden and Trump are both still not viewed favorably by the majority of Pennsylvanians.

However, Biden has received less positive polling in other swing states and there are still months to go until the election.

"The Wall Street Journal has recently released polling data that show Trump leads in six of the seven states, including Pennsylvania, so the Franklin and Marshall is a new result that may give some comfort to the Biden campaign.

"First, we are still seven months out from election day, where anything can happen that will sway voters in either direction, including the US border problem, the war in Ukraine, Israel-Gaza, abortion, and Trump's ongoing legal challenges.

Pennsylvania is a crucial swing state that Biden won in 2020 with strong Democratic support in the large cities and surrounding areas of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh and strong Trump support in the more rural areas."


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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 months ago

Don’t listen to any publication this far out. Anything can happen.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Pennsylvania is a key swing state. In the 2020 election, Biden won the state by some 80,000 votes, winning it back from Trump, who in 2016 broke the state's blue streak for the first time in 24 years.

Biden's home state that went Republican once in 30 years is by no means a "swing state"...

It a safe Dem state that Clinton was terrible enough to lose to trump.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world -5 points 3 months ago

conducted by Franklin & Marshall College

Why is a college wasting time on performing opinion polls?

[-] neptune@dmv.social 25 points 3 months ago

Because they have a political science department?

this post was submitted on 04 Apr 2024
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