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in order to paint him as the almost sole driver of this illogical backing of Israel, similar to the way that centrists are trying to paint Netenyahu as the sole maniacal driver on the Israeli side (Israel is fine guys Netenyahu is just a crazy right winger guys, it’s like if Trump was in office, it’s not them guys come on).

Idk, I’m seeing more and more articles and podcasts lately really pinning things on Biden. Talking about him as this shameless lifelong Zionist who is going out of his way to propel this thing on his own, despite some sort of assumed silent administrative majority who apparently doesn’t want this. And like, Biden is a lifelong Zionist, that’s true. But it feels like an attempt to start the process of detaching Biden as a driving actor of the genocide from the Democratic Party and even the US apparatus more broadly, as a way of like setting the stage to salvage these institutions.

I’m seeing this sudden creep of perspective mostly from left/leftish sources though. Not exclusively. But it’s a little surprising.

Am I imagining this? Anyone else seeing this happen? Is Biden really exerting an undue influence on this situation that another steward of US hegemony in a moment of decline wouldn’t? Or is this a legitimate analysis of the situation, and the creep of perspective is actually a step in the right direction. What is going on

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[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 26 points 6 months ago (1 children)

on the one hand you're right, on the other hand he's to the right of ronald fucking reagan so i say scapegoat away.

[–] newmou@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

But that was a much different time and different country. I have no doubt Reagan in Biden’s position today with the state of contradictions today would do the same

[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

that doesn't make sense to me, I think it would've been easier to get away with letting israel complete their genocide back then. history isn't the biographies of great men but these guys still make choices and could make different ones (rejecting hard determinism, anyway).

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 19 points 6 months ago

Nancy Pelosi publicly going against Biden and calling for an end to weapons deals with Israel highlights this turn against Biden. Democrats are realizing how catastrophic this is going to be for their party in the elections and are maneuvering themselves into safer positions by distancing themselves and the Party from Biden.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Liberals do this shit over and over and over again.

I was just saying to someone the other day that the "Putin's war" and "Putin's bombs" bullshit that some so-called "russian leftists" are spewing is the language of regime-change. They don't want to change capitalism, they just want to change Putin. I told my friend that they should absolutely not trust these "leftists" because their language is sus.

If you wanted to change the system, it would be "capitalism's war" and "capitalism's bombs", because you know damn fucking well that it would still be happening under a different leader within this system.

The entire purpose of blaming the issue on the leader is to divert attention from the systemic problems it so that people think "oh everything is alright now" as soon as the leader is swapped out. Complete and utter bullshit.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You’re not imagining it, but I don’t know if it’s intentional. Some of the camps are explicitly “this whole country is a joke. Right now Biden is just the primary clown and the next one won’t be any better” while others talk shit about Biden without explicitly stating that the genocide is not an anomalous byproduct of American foreign policy - it is American policy.

However, Biden is one of the few democrats that have been recorded saying he would kill women and children if it meant the successful defense of Israel. I don’t know any other liberal politician who would say this somewhere they could be quoted, even if they 100% believed it. Liberals who nominally ‘horrified’ when Trump said he would kill then family members of ISIS, but they have yet to say anything about Biden’s comments.

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

ironically, i think it speaks to an unwarranted faith in the electoral system and the office of the presidency. even many of us who claim to not care about electoralism can't shake the hope that the masses can somehow exert some political influence over our leadership. Like you say, we can imagine a Democratic Party free of Zionism, but the Party certainly cannot. They've had plenty of opportunities and reasons to excise Biden, but they're constitutionally incapable not just of opposing Israel, but of making any change predicated on some amount of self-reflection or doubt in the thundering jackboot of progress.

[–] assyrian@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago

I don't think any other dem president would have let it go this far. even Obama would have let them do whatever for 1, 2, maybe 3 months but the second it started affecting his polling he would have stopped them.

[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago

Biden isn't the only zionist in the american government but he is the current lead zionist. He is not the only one in the government responsible for the genocide but he is the person who could do the most to stop it.