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The Irish soviets (Irish: Sóivéidí na hÉireann) were a series of self-declared soviets that formed in Ireland during the revolutionary period of the Irish War of Independence and the Irish Civil War (1919 to 1923), mainly in the province of Munster. "Soviet" in this context refers to a council of workers who control their place of work.

The labour movement in Ireland during the Irish War of Independence had been deeply affected by the events of the Dublin Lockout of 1913 as well as Bolshevik Revolution in Russia in 1917. It was also being influenced by the concurrent Revolutions of 1917–1923, which saw several left-wing led revolutions rise up in Europe, also inspired by the revolution in Russia. Soviets were emerging across Europe in places such as Bavaria, Bremen, Ukraine and Hungary. This trend caught on in Ireland as well, itself in the midst of a revolution as the Irish Republican Army sought to end British rule over Ireland

The first soviet - Monaghan Asylum

Preceding the more famous Limerick Soviet by two months, the first Irish soviet was declared on 29 January 1919. Led by Donegal union organiser and IRA Commander Peadar O'Donnell, the soviet was declared as part of a strike for better working conditions for the staff of the Monaghan Lunatic Asylum (as it was then known). Amongst the worker's complaints were that they were being forced to work 93 hours a week and were not allowed to leave the premises between shifts. Upon declaration of the soviet, a red flag was flown over the building. In response armed police were sent to remove the workers, however, they had barricaded themselves inside. The operators of the Asylum were forced to negotiate with the workers. Workers won a 56-hour week and a pay rise for both male and female staff. A further concession was that married staff were to be allowed go home after their shifts ended. It was eventually disestablished on 4 February of the same year.

Limerick Soviet

One of the first and most important soviets to be declared in Ireland at this time was the soviet declared in Limerick City from 14 to 27 April 1919.[6] Following IRA activity inside the city as well as the death of IRA member Robert Byrne, the Royal Irish Constabulary sought to lock down the city to prevent further encroachment by the revolutionaries. However, their implementation of the lockdown was overzealous and heavyhanded and resulted in a backlash from the inhabitants of the city. A strike committee was created by Trade Unionists inside Limerick and they declared a general strike against "British Military Occupation". For two weeks all British troops were boycotted and the special strike committee organised the printing of their own money, control over food prices and the publishing of newspapers.

Knocklong Soviet

The soviet in Limerick City was the most significant soviet to be declared owing to the fact it had the largest number of participants, but many more followed in its wake. The following month on 15 May 1920, workers in County Limerick began seizing creameries belonging to the Cleeve Family Business, the primary one being located near the village of Knocklong. The Cleeves were an Anglo-Canadian Unionist family committed to the British Empire, and a major business operator, employing over 3,000 workers across Ireland in dairy-related industries in addition to about 5,000 farmers. During World War I they heavily promoted recruitment efforts by the British Army in Limerick. It was in their personal interest to do so, as the Cleeves were also profiting from the war as they were also supplying food to the British army, netting a profit around £1,000,000 from this contract by end of 1918. The Cleeves' support for the British would have found them little support amidst the revolution in Ireland, but further compounding resentment against them was the fact that the Cleeves were considered to be one of the lowest paying employers in Ireland.

Following a trade dispute with the Cleeves, workers belonging to the Irish Transport and General Workers Union (ITGWU) seized production facilities and began running them independently of the Cleeves. A red flag was flown over the main building and a banner reading "KNOCKLONG SOVIET CREAMERY: WE MAKE BUTTER NOT PROFITS" was displayed. Work continued as per usual at the creameries but the Cleeves were forced to negotiate with the workers in order to regain control of the facilities.

The success of the Knocklong Soviet would result in both further strikes against Cleeves' owned premises but also retaliation from the Cleeves. At first, the Cleeves attempted to lay off workers at Knocklong under the auspices that a national general strike by ITGWU against handling British munitions had resulted in "a lack of work". However, this ploy was defeated by the formation of a strike committee. The Cleeves quickly changed tack; On the 24th of August, they insured the creamery against the outbreak of a fire. Coincidentally on the 26th of August, a unit of Black and Tans arrived in Knocklong and burnt down the creamery

Waterford Soviet

One of the shorter-lived but nonetheless influential soviets arose in April 1920 in Waterford City. The soviet existed during a national general strike against the detention of Republicans on hunger-strike. Workers enforced the general strike as well as a permit system. After a number of days, word came to Waterford that the general strike had been a success and the British government had caved in to the demand. Thousands flocked to the City Hall where, before Amhrán na bhFiann was sung to close out the event, Union leaders sang the verses of The Red Flag while a crowd less familiar with the song piped in on the choruses.

Bruree Soviet

On 26 August 1921, the bakery and mills in Bruree, County Limerick (owned by the Cleeve Family) were occupied by almost all of its employees save the manager and a clerk. The workers raised a red flag, raised a banner reading "Bruree Soviet Workers Mill" and proclaimed they were now in control of the mill and would be selling its food at a lower price, forgoing the "profiteering" formerly being practised there. Forcing the owners to the negotiation table at Liberty Hall in Dublin, Union officials claimed the soviet was able to drop prices, double sales and increase wages. Sinn Féin's Minister for Labour Countess Markievicz mediated the negotiations and it is alleged she threatened to send in IRA troops to the Bruree Soviet if they did not accept the outcome of the arbitration

Cork Harbour Soviet

In 1920 a commission in Cork City established by Lord Mayor Tomás Mac Curtain had been tasked with determining what the living wage of workers in Cork City should be. By late September 1920 it was reporting that this wage should be 70 shillings a week, an amount rather more than most workers in the city received at this time. The commission repeated their recommendation again in February 1921. It was at this point that the local ITGWU branch asked the Cork Harbour Board to make 70 shillings the wage for workers. The Cork Harbour Board resisted for months and by June 1921 had firmly rejected the proposal. The proposal was rejected a final time in September 1921. In response, workers seized control of the Cork Custom House, a red flag was flown and a soviet declared on 7 September. News of the Cork Harbour Soviet was covered in media as far away as the New York Times. Locally, the Unionist aligned paper The Irish Times decried the Cork Harbour Soviet as an outbreak of "Irish Bolshevism" and fearfully pondered of the possibility of a civil war between Nationalists and Socialists breaking out if Ireland achieved independence from Britain.

Fall of the soviets

As the revolutionary period in Ireland drew to a close, so too did the age of the soviets. The protracted conflict in Ireland was draining the economy and the ability of employers to meet wage demands and their ability to quickly end strikes by simply giving in to the workers' demands. At the end of 1921 the Cleeves business empire declared that it was £100,000 in debt, and claimed to have taken roughly £275,000 in losses for the year.

On 12 May 1922 The Cleeves declared a lockout, put 3,000 of its employees out of work. In response the soviets seized production centres in Bruff, Athlacca, Bruree, Tankardstown, Dromin and Ballingaddy near Kilmallock all in County Limerick, and centres in Tipperary Town, Galtymore, Bansha, Clonmel and Carrick-on-Suir in County Tipperary and finally Mallow in County Cork.

The Irish Times denounced the seizures and declared that the workers had "neither allegiance to the Irish Free State nor the Irish Republic, but only to Soviet Russia". Trouble for the soviets was also brewing on another front: the farmers who supplied the creameries with milk were beginning to sour on their comrades. The Irish Farmers Union led a campaign to deny the soviets a supply of milk, and resolved to "forbid our members to supply under the Red Flag, which is the flag of Anarchy and revolution"

The Civil War that erupted between those for and against the Anglo-Irish Treaty had seen Munster become a hotbed and base for the Anti-Treaty IRA forces, and thus a battleground to be fought over. The soviets came into conflict with both Anti-Treaty and the Free State National Army. The Tipperary Soviet was involved in a shoot out with the anti-treaty side. The gasworks in Tipperary was destroyed by the retreating anti-treaty forces. Similarly the newly formed National Army also took to dismantling the soviets. Extreme pressure was being placed on the fledgeling Irish Free State by both the British Government and the wider world to maintain a conservative order in Ireland. The soviets were deemed agents of anarchy by both the conservative press and conservative politicians, and thus another element the National Army had to remove. Without a wider political structure or organisation to unify them, nor a fighting force to defend themselves, the soviets were forced to fold and bow out. When Free State forces entered any town that had a soviet, they would arrest the leaders and take down any symbols signalling defiance such as Red Flags.

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[–] gramxi@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

you only YOLO once

[–] dualmindblade@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They fucking nailed that fallout show, great the whole way through, one of the most entertaining things I've seen. The politics are mostly inoffensive/good but somewhat lib tinged, nothing like I'm a Virgo. Just one line I want rewritten in the finale and it'd be perfect:

spoiler"I'm not a communist, communist is just a dirty word they call people who aren't completely insane" => "Yes I am a communist, but that's just the word for people who aren't completely insane."

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[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

The T-800 Terminator walking through your bedroom wall in the middle of the night to show you a cool bug it found

[–] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

Retvrn to movie/tv high schoolers being in their 30s.

[–] Goblinmancer@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

How did elden ring avoided being mandated with microtransaction by bandai namco, like its a huge cashcow

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

>Front Mission becomes unplayable after five hours on literally the sixth mission

>get rekt by like 20 Egret Missiliers even with a lance of eight mechs rocking 22ns smgs, Empire rifles, tons of shoulder artillery, tier 2 melee and maxed out loadouts

>doesn't matter if you split your forces into two four-mech squads or concentrate all eight, one stupid Missilier will block the path through jungle underbrush

>>>no way to grind

That's just fine I wasnt enjoying it anyway.sadness-abysmal

spoiler Yeah... It's like I'm really some seething Merchwarrior in the 31st century!

This moment has been brought to you byfreeze-gamer copium

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Relitigating my stupid takes on Unjust Depths 13.8 that suckWe should all benefit from my extensive pain & suffering today, because despite everything I did manage to improve my understanding somewhat. Consider this a follow up to my welcome to hell, 8.13 post.

First off, my assumption about Karuniya's "thing" being neurotypical woo-woo was absolutely completely accurate. This I simply know to be the case, because if you ask neurotypicals (or even anybody neurodiverse, usually) about this type of thing, they'll just wave their fingers mysteriously and be confused about why you do not 'get' & adore it. They'll act like it is simply known, so no luck there. Makes sense, I think the entire flashback is really underwritten; long passages of dialogue go unaccompanied by any real descriptive narration or anything beyond Karuniya's running commentary. I don't think it gives the reader a sense of the affection between them, which as an autist makes perfect sense, 'pls be more obvious' y'know.

The revelation that I hadn't considered, because it does not enter my mind, because wtf, is something most readers probably find really obvious: ✨ It's a butch/femme bit ✨ ! And I was like ohhhhhhh, a lightbulb powered on in my brain, this makes perfect sense! Karuniya isn't a creep because she's necessarily a weird fetishist, she's a creep because the bit they're doing is a literal husband-and-wife bit!!! Although you do have to wonder, on their first date, has Murati agreed to play The Man in this relationship? Was it discussed, does it count as consenting if they woo-woo vibes make eyes at eachother neurotypically? It sort of seems like Karuniya has constructed a "Murati" in her brain before they even date.

Vibes-based analysis, I see two sorts of contexts, ish, in which butch/femme appears as a 'thing'. One is mostly as an aesthetic or stylistic choice for the people involved, and not a lot more than that? The other one I tend to associate with like, old 1970s bar culture, and has both of them be almost gender identities unto themselves, with the butch basically being a 1:1 comedy trad man replacement. A thing! (Please bully me over this weird and probably wrong read, I do not pride myself on social understanding)

It's pretty efficient as an explanation, because whenever I've read queer fic that plays into this really specific gendery butch/femme, I have been almost as weirded out by those too. Personally I never got why you'd want to replicate stock-standard heterosexual RETVRN gender roles with women... but I tend not to worry about it. If cis women wanna do that, sure, power to you. Hell, if trans people wanna, of course, who the fuck am I to say no?

The problem I have with 8.13 is many compounding things: as I nudged above, it kind of seems like this whole idea only comes from Karuniya's end, like it's wholly her thing and she is pushing it onto Murati. In the flashback I feel like I can read Murati's reaction to it as anything from "slightly bemused" to "really awkward", and she seems more confused than anything when Karuniya starts calling her "husband" way back. Recently, as in circa 9.x, Karuniya has taken to calling her "hubby" and does Murati ever respond to it??? The time when Murati observes that Karuniya is "a screamer" in 9.5 is literally the first time I can remember that Murati has expressed, really romantic or sexual attraction, not just to her fiance but to ANYBODY. She's so passive and quiet about it, even in her inner thoughts, and Karuniya's enthusiastic prattling seems weird by contrast. I had kind of hoped 8.13 was gonna show us that Yes, Murati wants it too! but only barely. The romantically inexpressive, surprisingly unreactive Murati is a poor match for Karuniya's over-enthused neurotypical hypersexuality.

The truth is though, it doesn't really cover for Karuniya being desperately cock-hungry all the time. I don't need to belabour that point though, because frankly pretty much everything I said in that post still holds up. Karuniya seems flippant and uninterested in anything about Murati that doesn't involve sex. Do they ever talk about anything else? Surely Karuniya should be asking Murati how her squad leadership is going, right, since it's new for her? I know so much more about the link between Sonya and Maryam, or Norn and Adelheid, than I do the protagonist and her fiance.

I think Murati/Karuniya is an underwritten mess, lacking a lot of the small, telling details you would usually see in a good romance, or even several of the relationships in Unjust Depths!! It's an ugly mix and I hate it, I really wish I could not think this, but there is soooooo much at play here.

As an addendum: I find it interesting that Murati/Karuniya as a pair is so steeped in a real-world parsing of gender between sapphics. Most of the relationships in UD range anywhere from "somewhat removed from our social context" (autistic mech pilot x psionic cuttlefish churchlady) to "waaaay removed from our social context", (autistic robot lady x bloodsucking shifter fish woman from the depths) I do really like that the author is so enamoured with fish, it's cute and fun. But I'm not primed to expect what is bssically a sapphic romance trope, to me it sticks out like a sore thumb.

[–] Goblinmancer@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Guilty gear fans when i loop Disaster of Passion, Perfection Can't Please Me, and The Town Inside Me

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[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

vent warningI'm just so fucking annoyed at every single progressive liberal I know saying fucking nothing about Gaza. I hope you get sick during your holidays.

[–] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago
[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

Carrie Ann Inaba was the hottest fly girl on In Living Color and had more talent than the heavily over-marketed J-Lo.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Watching someone trying to entice a cat I know into coming over for pets and doing it totally wrong. Full standing position and meowing at the cat and just using all the wrong language. I had that kitty running up for belly rubs on sight after a couple meetings.

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[–] vertexarray@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

oo wee oo hey I smoked that weed from stalin

oh-oh and it rearranged my brain

[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

dr john m. ehoff and his wife, jill

Death to America

[–] SoylentSnake@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

something something learn to not fear being alone something something when you're not looking is when you'll find it something something if you build it it will come, god are people paternalistic fucking pricks on the subject of romantic loneliness

[–] SoylentSnake@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

learn to not fear being alone

"cool sure! i could use more friends, wanna hang out sometime soon?" "oh yeah, how's your schedule looking uh....1.5 months from now? (there is a 60/40 chance I will cancel)"

guess there's a reason people say "learn to not fear being alone" rather than "learn to not fear being single (because of your robust network of other close relationships that are still available to you)"

[–] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

Playing the Sims 3 with a strategy I'm calling "the fundraiser". Get the mooch and party animal traits, and invite the richest sims over to your house over and over - they can't say no to showing up, are likely to bring gifts and food, and will give you cash based on how much they like you (and they'll like you a little more after every party). 10/10 playstyle, would recommend.

[–] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago
[–] Frank@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Beard dipillatory cream report; cw: uhh... beards i guess idk if this one needs a cw but it's a habit so

spoilerUsing hair removal cream for my beard is working pretty well. I'm not getting anything like the irritation and skin infucktions I get with shaving. The cream doesn't give a great "shave" but it's good enough. I haven't had any concerning skin irritation, just letting my skin rest for an hour after removing the cream then applying moisturizer has been enough.

Psa: when they say "wipe the cream off" they mean it. It's not very water soluble at all and won't wash off quickly with just water. I've been bringing several washclothes in to the shower to wipe all of it away, then rinsing with cool water for a good long while. I'm also wearing nitrile gloves when applying it to minimize contact with my skin.

It doesn't actually melt the hairs. Instead it makes them very brittle. A lot wipes off after the 7 minutes i'm leaving it on my skin, the hairs just break away. And a lot of what's left breaks off over the next day. I assume if i was doing it every three days as recommended it would end up pretty smooth.

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[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

i'm going to end up getting skyrim special edition entirely for the handful of armor mods i think are cool but no one bothered to backport angery

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[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It would be really cool if Ranked Battles would get me someone to battle who doesn't use the same damn team of Gholdengo, Fluttermane and all four of the ruinous legendaries.

People have the imagination of a wet fish.

At least it makes them predictable and easy to beat I guess

[–] assyrian@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

favorite Jackie Chan movie? I like the Drunken Master movies a lot

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago

I'm having a hard time deciding on a real one, but I think the second movie he was in ever, but didn't star was Fantasy Mission Force and that movie is fucking wild. It was a mainstay rental between my friends and I when I was younger. The dub is bad, the story is weird as hell anyway and Jackie Chan fights a dude on top of cars in a busy parking lot who at one point removes his belt and it turns out it's a floppy sword! The main cast is sent on the mission after the higher ups go through a list of 20 dudes starting with James Bond and going through a few existing actors and action movie characters as well as dudes whonmayne you'd know about if you were Chinese in the early 80s and also literal animals and explaining why they aren't available. There's ghosts, water ninjas, a cigarette smoking contest. Jackie Chan is barely in it but this movie is absolutely fucking wild.

[–] jimmyjohnsandwichfive@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Question. Does it actually matter if you have a protein shake before or after working out?

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[–] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

A definite issue with the fallout franchise is that they keep portraying the building of a liberal bourgeois democracy as a laudable goal. "If you want to see the fate of democracies, look out the window" is verifiably a valid criticism of a US style republic in this universe, and yet the building of just such a state is almost universally portrayed as the preferable moral option in all the games. This is kind of extremely silly.

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[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago

Update: Front Mission is not unplayable and this is what I like about it, grinding money in the Arena minigame is stupid but I can turn the tides considerably by up-armouring & re-arming my whole lance. It's like I'm really some bloomer Mechwarrior in the 31st centry bloomer

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