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Itamar Ben Gvir, Israel's far-right national security minister, has called for the execution of Palestinian prisoners to ease overcrowding in the country's jails.

Writing on social media, he welcomed a decision by the Israeli army to build 936 additional prison places for "security prisoners". "The additional construction will allow the prison service to take in more terrorists, and will bring a partial solution to the prison crisis that exists in the Shabak," he said, referring to the Israeli Prison Service.

"The death penalty for terrorists is the right solution to the incarceration problem, until then - glad that the government approved the proposal I brought."

During a visit by members of the Public Defender’s Office, squalid conditions were noted, including "intolerable overcrowding", with less than three square metres of space per person, poor sanitary conditions, pest issues, inadequate ventilation, and a lack of basic necessities for the incarcerated.

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 196 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I wonder if they will concentrate all of the prisoners in one spot before they implement Ben’s solution

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 101 points 6 months ago (2 children)

With so many prisoners it's gotta be hard to process all of those death penalties. I wonder if there is a fast and efficient way to apply the death penalty. Maybe they can do it in groups

[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 36 points 6 months ago

They could look into repurposing farming equipment and supplies given all the shortages they’re experiencing

[–] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Everyone knows that gases are the most convenient option, too. None of the logistical issues of solids and none of the messiness of liquids.

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[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 44 points 6 months ago (9 children)

He just wants a bit more Living Space.

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[–] Alto@kbin.social 122 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We've started going full death camp yet people still don't believe that there's a genocide. There are no words to describe just how truly disgusting that is.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 55 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

He even used the word solution. They don’t even give a fuck anymore

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[–] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 81 points 6 months ago (22 children)

But when I compare this genocide to the Holocaust I get called an antisemite

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 46 points 6 months ago

those people are saying that in bad faith. they're wiping their asses with the memory of the holocaust, not you

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 70 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] intrepid@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's hardly a good reason to tolerate scum like these anymore.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 months ago

What are you some kind of antifa-cist‽

[–] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 62 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Israel is going to build camps to concentrate their prisoners.

[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Nazionists, nazionists everywhere

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

Western Rulers: Listen, just cause they are building camps and moving Palestinians into them in large quantities just highlights the danger that the poor Israelis are in!

Israel: Starts ordering suspiciously larges quantities of a certain pesticide

Western Rulers: Obviously they are just trying to treat their fields, absolutely nothing wrong here. Nothing to see here, No Criticisms, we Veto the right to criticize or cover this further!

[–] febra@lemmy.world 40 points 6 months ago

Soon they'll start sending them to the showers. We've seen this before. Fascists never change

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 39 points 6 months ago

Reminder that even West Bank children who couldn't possibly have any link to Hamas get thrown in jail, by incarcerators able to do whatever the fuck they want because, as they're jailing people outside of their jurisdiction, and the Palestinian Authority has no means to stop it, they don't have to answer to anyone.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/21/a-hidden-universe-of-suffering-the-palestinian-children-sent-to-jail

Just thought you would appreciate the context.

[–] LodeMike 38 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The answer to prison/jail overcrowding is to release prisoners. Allways. If you're imprisoning so many people that you can't actually hold all of them, you're imprisoning too many people.

[–] SadSadSatellite@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 6 months ago

And the answer to vacant cells is to congragulate the population on their low crime rate, but the for profit system in the US just finds reasons to put more people in jail and keep them there longer.

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 37 points 6 months ago (4 children)

How do they define security prisoners in this context? Is this Gitmo or Aushwitz? Both are war crimes.

Also, you would think these Israeli leaders would be more careful about using the word solution in the context of murdering the fuck out of your political prisoners.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Since Palestinians have no human or civil rights under Israeli Occupation, they can be detained and convicted with no to little evidence. Subject only to military courts they have no fair trial and it's quite normal to coerce (false) confessions. This includes children.

Military Courts - B'TSelem

Israel/OPT: Horrifying cases of torture and degrading treatment of Palestinian detainees amid spike in arbitrary arrests - Amnesty International

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

After spending the morning reading about the history of Zionism and direct quotes from a bunch of those dudes, honestly, your comment sounds like everything is going exactly to plan.

'In 1938, Ben Gurion described the conflict with the Arabs as "in its essence a political one... politically we are the aggressors and they [the Arabs] defend themselves." Israeli historian Benny Morris affirms Ben Gurion's description, saying: "Ben-Gurion, of course, was right" and goes on to describe Zionism as "a colonizing and expansionist ideology and movement" whose "ideology and practice were necessarily and elementally expansionist." Morris describes the Zionist goal of establishing a Jewish state in Palestine as necessarily displacing and dispossessing the Arab population. The practical issue of establishing a Jewish state in a majority non-Jewish and Arab region was a fundamental issue for the Zionist movement. Revisionist Zionist Ze'ev Jabotinsky described the notion of "transfer" (the Zionist euphemism for ethnic cleansing of the Arab Palestinian population) as a "brutal expulsion" which could resolve this challenge. The idea of transfer was not unique to Revisionist Zionism, in fact, as explained by Morris, "the idea of transferring the Arabs out... was seen as the chief means of assuring the stability of the 'Jewishness' of the proposed Jewish State".

According to Morris, the idea of ethnically cleansing the land of Palestine was to play a large role in Zionist ideology from the inception of the movement. He explains that "transfer" was "inevitable and inbuilt into Zionism" and that a land which was primarily Arab could not be transformed into a Jewish state without displacing the Arab population. Further, the stability of the Jewish state could not be ensured given the Arab population's fear of displacement. He explains that this would be the primary source of conflict between the Zionist movement and the Arab population.'

Mind you, that's Wikipedia, but none the less.

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[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 32 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Never thought I'd see the 'cycle of abuse' play out with the fucking Holocaust, jfc

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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

The U.S. needs to cut ties with Israel and back away from them. They are not allies. They have been using the U.S. for decades due to our gullible myth-obsessed politicians being heavily lobbied by them. If money were removed from politics, the relationship would dissolve almost immediately.

We get absolutely nothing of value from our relationship with Israel. There is no special strategic advantage as we have bases, NATO countries and allies nearby as well as multiple carrier groups in the Med. Our commerce with them is not special in any way. So, why give them billions a year and stand by their side as they commit genocide and start fights with their neighbors?

We should have no business there except, perhaps, to protect innocent people from genocide.

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[–] PhAzE@lemmy.ca 22 points 6 months ago

Such little respect for human life is disgusting. Killing in the name of overcrowding is not valid reason to murder.

[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 16 points 6 months ago

I'm sure the end solution to this problem will be as cheap and efficient as zyklon-b.

[–] dugmeup@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] intrepid@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 months ago

A dick is a person who steals candies from kids. This one doesn't qualify. He is one among the worst human beings possible.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (6 children)

This ass hat is a complete troll. He's like Israel's Lauren Boebert. Both need to go.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Contrary to Boebert Ben Gvir is a convicted terrorist. In fact he has been indicted 53 times and convicted 7 times.

The real problem: Ben Gvir is a critical part of the coalition that keeps Netanyahu in power, meaning his has significant influence over israel law.

More fun lore:

Ben Gvir has faced criminal charges of hate speech against Arabs and was known to have a portrait in his living room of Israeli-American mass murderer and Jewish extremist Baruch Goldstein, who massacred 29 Palestinian Muslim worshipers and wounded 125 others in Hebron, in the 1994 Cave of the Patriarchs massacre.

[–] Apollo42@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)
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[–] Huckledebuck@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So he's trying to be Himmler.

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[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The difference is Bobo is a powerless rep that will lose her seat and can't stay in coalition with anyone while this guy is a minister who if I recall correctly has the portfolio of overseeing all the police in Israel.

It's a mistake to discount cabinet ministers.

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[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

i think we should execute him

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[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

The war made possible for us the solution of a whole series of problems that could never have been solved in normal times.

  • Joseph Goebbels
[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

Geez they're literally talking like nazis, no? Aren't they actually doing things like the nazis did too? This is all like a sick horrific joke. The jews are now like the nazis were. How oxymoronic can you get.

[–] generichate1546@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 6 months ago

I'm sure I'm late to the party but... clearing throat.

I did Nazi that coming.

Israel (the govt) is acting gross.

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