this post was submitted on 21 Apr 2024
121 points (99.2% liked)

news

23447 readers
775 users here now

Welcome to c/news! Please read the Hexbear Code of Conduct and remember... we're all comrades here.

Rules:

-- PLEASE KEEP POST TITLES INFORMATIVE --

-- Overly editorialized titles, particularly if they link to opinion pieces, may get your post removed. --

-- All posts must include a link to their source. Screenshots are fine IF you include the link in the post body. --

-- If you are citing a twitter post as news please include not just the twitter.com in your links but also nitter.net (or another Nitter instance). There is also a Firefox extension that can redirect Twitter links to a Nitter instance: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/libredirect/ or archive them as you would any other reactionary source using e.g. https://archive.today . Twitter screenshots still need to be sourced or they will be removed --

-- Mass tagging comm moderators across multiple posts like a broken markov chain bot will result in a comm ban--

-- Repeated consecutive posting of reactionary sources, fake news, misleading / outdated news, false alarms over ghoul deaths, and/or shitposts will result in a comm ban.--

-- Neglecting to use content warnings or NSFW when dealing with disturbing content will be removed until in compliance. Users who are consecutively reported due to failing to use content warnings or NSFW tags when commenting on or posting disturbing content will result in the user being banned. --

-- Using April 1st as an excuse to post fake headlines, like the resurrection of Kissinger while he is still fortunately dead, will result in the poster being thrown in the gamer gulag and be sentenced to play and beat trashy mobile games like 'Raid: Shadow Legends' in order to be rehabilitated back into general society. --

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
FidelCastro@hexbear.net
Alaskaball@hexbear.net
SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net
ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net
carpoftruth@hexbear.net
GinAndJuche@hexbear.net
Breath_Of_The_Snake@hexbear.net
InsidiousTrackers@hexbear.net
121
Almost 10 years later CIA puppet strings in Ukraine are finally admitted. Up until now such accusations were 'paranoid delusions'. (web.archive.org)
submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by yogthos@lemmygrad.ml to c/news@hexbear.net
32 comments fedilink hide all child comments
all 33 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 92 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Toward the end of 2021, according to a senior European official, Putin was weighing whether to launch his full-scale invasion when he met with the head of one of Russia’s main spy services, who told him that the CIA, together with Britain’s MI6, were controlling Ukraine and turning it into a beachhead for operations against Moscow.

But the Times investigation found that Putin and his advisers misread a critical dynamic. The CIA didn’t push its way into Ukraine. U.S. officials were often reluctant to fully engage, fearing that Ukrainian officials could not be trusted, and worrying about provoking the Kremlin.

Yet a tight circle of Ukrainian intelligence officials assiduously courted the CIA and gradually made themselves vital to the Americans.

The imperial frontier state drew us in! We didn't want to control them, they asked us to!

[–] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 69 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Man this article has a lot of great stuff.

The agency agreed to help the HUR [Ukrainian military intelligence] modernize, and to improve its ability to intercept Russian military communications. In exchange, Kondratiuk agreed to share all of the raw intelligence with the Americans.

how are you not just literally a branch office of the CIA at that point

[–] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 51 points 5 months ago

CIA officers installed equipment at the bases to help gather intelligence and also identified some of the most skilled Ukrainian graduates of the Operation Goldfish program, working with them to approach potential Russian sources. These graduates then trained sleeper agents on Ukrainian territory meant to launch guerrilla operations in case of occupation.

Arming, training, and funding ultranationalist terrorists? Nooooo noooo you have it all wrong, these are simple staybehind operations in case of occupation. They are made of peaceful freedom-loving people who are also willing to risk being tortured to death if given the chance to kill random russians. Moderate rebels, you could say.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

HUR

Damn even their acronyms sound German

[–] nurjahreszeiten@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago

It literally means bitch in german slang

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 29 points 5 months ago

bateman-business-card "full-scale"

[–] davel@hexbear.net 69 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I mean, ignoring my wall o’ links that just sounds like Russian propaganda.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 8 points 5 months ago

Obviously these were Russian influence agents hard at work. /s

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 56 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Nuking an article about the CIA has the opposite effect of silencing it lol

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 30 points 5 months ago

"Mr CIA, have you heard of the Streisand Effect?"

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 5 months ago

lol yeah the Streisand effect at work

[–] Cummunism@hexbear.net 52 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Ukraine really was like "America fucked over all those other countries, but that won't happen to us!"

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

America fucked not only others but even Ukraine itself not even decade before when they pushed the "Orange Revelution" which installed the hypercorrupted Yuschchenko clique, which proceeded to strangle country with austerity and also caused economic conflict with Russia which ended very bad for Ukraine.

[–] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 5 months ago

Almost as if compradors never care about the countries they rob. Almost as if capital has no nationality

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 39 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Didn't some famous nazi say like 10 years ago that there was CIA involvement in their org?

[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 5 months ago

CIA involvement with Nazis predates the CIA itself.

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 34 points 5 months ago

operation aerodynamic never really ended

[–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 32 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Edit: just realized I don’t know how to pin….awkward

Thanks washedanus for finding an archive. Pinning this since the post link was removed.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Link is broken

[–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That link just goes to yahoo news not the article

[–] WashedAnus@hexbear.net 31 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Maybe the article got taken down? It has a 404 redirect kinda thing

https://archive.ph/a0cET

Yeah, looks like Yahoo took it down.

[–] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Now entering the third year of a war that has claimed hundreds of thousands of lives

what the fuck lmfao no it has not, not even close, what the actual hell NYT? Natopedia has it at 15k deaths on the outside https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 16 points 5 months ago

1 casualty = 1 death. There were no injuries or prisoners.

[–] flan@hexbear.net 23 points 5 months ago

Weird timing for a 2 month old article to be taken down on a saturday night just after it was posted here. Not to say hexbear or lemmygrad really matter in the grand scheme of things - i wonder if this article has been popping up in other places though?

[–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago

Thanks! I’ll pin that archive link in a top level so people can easily find it.

[–] ProfessorAdonisCnut@hexbear.net 20 points 5 months ago

This is like, the Platonic ideal of a limited hangout