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  • Elon Musk wanted Tesla to reduce its workforce by one-fifth, Bloomberg reported.
  • Musk wanted the layoffs to match the drop in quarterly vehicle deliveries. 
  • Tesla delivered 386,810 cars in the first quarter of 2024, a 20.1% drop from the last quarter.

Tesla CEO Elon Musk at one point wanted the EV giant to trim its workforce by 20%, Bloomberg reported on Sunday, citing a person familiar with the matter.

The reduction, Musk reasoned, should match the reduction in vehicle deliveries between the fourth quarter of 2023 and the first quarter of 2024, per Bloomberg.

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[–] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 190 points 6 months ago (2 children)

If a full fifth of your workforce needs to be sacked, it's clearly a management issue, so let's start at the top.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 93 points 6 months ago (4 children)

He needs to fire the idiot in charge of the whole thing. I bet Tesla could make a recovery if he wasn't at its helm, even if he still owned the same amount of shares. Even more so if his ego could handle hiring a replacement that was all too happy to vocally throw him under the bus.

[–] assembly@lemmy.world 40 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think the problem is that it’s such a house of cards. It has no reason to be worth the current stock price which is higher than multiple larger car brands combined. The stock value is based on this legacy idea that Musk will deliver amazing innovation. If he stays, his Twitter bullshit is going to negatively impact the brand and if he leaves, the stock will drop to a realistic valuation based on fundamentals. It’s a bit of a lose/lose.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Long term, the company's biggest value is a charging network. Their cars aren't ahead of the rest of the industry anymore, except maybe in live software updates. Even that's been tainted by updates that make the car good or bad depending on the day of the week. The charging network, though, is only going to have more customers as other companies adopt Tesla's plug.

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[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

He gets very mad if you imply or even ask if he should be accountable for any failings of his companies.

And this brain dead idea of his is literally just punishment like he's an ancient slave lord. Like this will motivate the remaining workers to double their output.

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[–] logi@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

He needs to fire the idiot in charge of the whole thing.

Thats not his job. That's the boards job. And yes, that's what they need to do.

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[–] ooterness@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Okay, so we need to fire one fifth of Elon Musk. (Instructions unclear. Is a saw involved?)

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[–] uberdroog@lemmy.world 102 points 6 months ago (8 children)

This is where real business men shine. Anyone can ride the wave of right place, right time. It blows my mind how much of our tax dollars are funneled to this bafoon.

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[–] gasgiant@lemmy.ml 79 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We have sold 1/5 less cars. So we need 1/5 less workers.

And people were questioning if he was worth his enormous pay packet.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 15 points 6 months ago

"Why are we selling less cars, Elon?"

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 6 months ago (3 children)

The fact that absurd amounts of money can take someone this dumb this far is frankly insulting and disgusting.

Sometimes, people fail upwards.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 13 points 6 months ago

It just goes to show how easy it is to make money with money and no moral compass.

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[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 30 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Let's say we take this at face value and that reducing staff by % reduction is the 100% right move to do.

In Q1 tesla faced a week long outage at Berlin due to an attack on a power station.

In Q1 tesla had a multi week outage due to rerouting ships around the red sea due to ships being attacked.

That's a pretty substantial downtime for a factory in a single quarter.

Making a % to % comparison like that and ignoring wtf happened that quarter is senseless.

Edit: I also think it was the 1st quarter without the incentive on some cars in the USA and that shock takes time to adjust for.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Also it's weird to compare consecutive quarters instead of year-over-year quarters, isn't it?

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Yes you don't normally compare q4 to q1 because cars are seasonal.

For example, the Chinese new year is in Q1 and always results in fewer cars.

It should always be comparing the same quarter as the previous year.

The media often uses this to their advantage to paint good or bad pictures of companies depending on if their masters want someone to look good or bad.

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[–] whereisk@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

It's pure and utter nonsense. If that was orthodoxy or even good sense no company would exist. You have no sales as a new company do you have 0 staff or do you need to hire people to build product and make sales before you have ever sold anything? The company sales increase by 10,000% by going from 1 sale to 100 do you increase your workforce by 10,000% too?
The man's brain is cheese from the drugs.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago

Yep, that’ll fix the problem. Definitely when the head is necrotic, cut out the heart.

[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 24 points 6 months ago

You’re all fired but I expect $56b!

[–] drislands@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is one of the things about businesses I don't get.

If you cut your staff, your ability to make money goes down with them. Why would layoffs be the reaction to reduced sales? It's like they don't have any money in savings or something.

Oh wait.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)
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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

A fucking genius everyone. This is the guy we're protecting with domestic EV rebates. This and the "Surely Americans just want giant pickup truck EVs" crowd.

We deserve to have Chinese companies obliterate our domestic market, just like we deserved the Japanese companies. Maybe if we stopped letting giant corporations form we'd have actual competition and our markets would be harder to break into without the government playing favorites.

[–] zcd@lemmy.ca 23 points 6 months ago

I am the dumbest man alive meme.jpg

[–] KillerTofu@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Emanuel. Jean Baptiste. Zorg.

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

At least he had charisma.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 22 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Is it bad to wish that he just goes under with all of his companies and that he goes bankrupt completely so I don't have to see his ugly face all over the internet?

[–] root_beer@midwest.social 12 points 6 months ago

Not at all, nobody wants to hear what stupid, hateful shit the Boer has been doing for the 2,078th day in a row, and I’d also like to see all the bazingas who line up to huff his farts go with him because they’re utterly insufferable too

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[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 21 points 6 months ago

Maybe if he sends the thinking face emoji to more Nazis he will turn public sentiment around.

[–] Zedstrian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 6 months ago

Is that how Elonomics works?

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

Gonna start running into the lump of labor fallacy real soon bud. Once cut that 20 percent ain't coming back, and finding replacements ain't simple.

[–] Horsey@kbin.social 17 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I was generally considering getting a model Y, but learned that they can’t be exported overseas and still don’t have CarPlay and Android auto. Not to mention that it’s seemingly impossible to get an insurance quote without buying the car first???? Sorry, I’m going with another company.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

don’t have CarPlay and Android auto

wut

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[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

Hehe. Number equal number. I smart.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] jwt@programming.dev 15 points 6 months ago

4D chess (was 5D but 1/5th of the dimensions got downsized)

[–] mPony@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This guy's opinion seems pretty extreme. Maybe he needs 1/5 fewer extremities.

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[–] lemmylommy@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

What a genius. /s

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

wouldn't this just make the problem worse

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Yes. Much worse.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

What the fuck logic does this dumbass employ?

"We failed to reach our quota in time. Let's reduce the number of workers so we make even fewer next time!"

Is he assuming each worker spends X time doing their thing, so more workers = more time? 🤦‍♂️

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

Yeah, that was my take as well. If demand was low, okay maybe. But failing to meet delivery targets? Reducing staff isn't going to help that.

[–] BeardedSingleMalt@kbin.social 8 points 6 months ago

Our workforce failed to meet a quota set by management, so we're laying off some of those workers

[–] BigMikeInAustin@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

He must be really mad if he didn't try to make work in the numbers 420 or 69.

Like saying he wanted to keep only the lowest paid 69 percent, or something like that.

[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 months ago

What a strange I mean stable genius

[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

Hope he also cut his salary that much and the same for all C-levels. Somehow, that never seems to happen. They all worked admirably.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

Looks like the Elonmobile isnt selling well

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 months ago

Do it, you psychotic shithead.

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