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What happens in November is up to Biden – it will not be the fault of the protest voter if Trump is elected. The questions remain: does the Democratic party fear Trump as much as we do? And does it value its voters enough to shift away from an approach to the onslaught in Gaza that a majority of Democratic voters are against?

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 58 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (36 children)

I’m just tryna vote for the lesser, by far, of two evils. It’s a fucking binary system, you can stomp your feet all you want and still get a genocide and possibly much worse, or you can at least preserve hope for a better future.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

Same but in the mean time I'm going to continue to donate and help push for progressives and those who keep fighting to get rid of the bullshit first past the post voting system and electoral college bullshit.

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (21 children)

It's reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally simple:

Voting Biden in gives us time to take all this energy we're mustering up and using it to promote broader, more significant changes. We don't stop at the election and instead use the next four years to push toward a better tomorrow.

Too many people are stopping at Trump v. Biden. Too many more are stopping at Them v "The System".

Change takes time. When you vote for Biden, you vote to reset the clock, and then it's time for all of us to get to work.

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[–] Dramaking37@lemmy.world 43 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Glad to see the goldfish memory of voters who missed what happened the last 4 times this has happened. I'm sure it'll fix it this time and isn't just a recurring right-wing strategy to alienate voters on the left with propaganda.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (17 children)

They can't remember further back than the last media cycle, and the can't think forward further than a week.

I guarantee at least some, likely all of these people were fucking pissed about the death of Roe. They learned nothing. Absolutely nothing.

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[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 42 points 6 months ago (26 children)

it will not be the fault of the protest voter if Trump is elected. The questions remain: does the Democratic party fear Trump as much as we do?

If you fear him, why would you not assist in preventing his rise?

If you give a shit about Palestine, why would you not support the better candidate for them? You think Trump will do anything to make this situation better?

The logical fallacy at play here is so glaring I can't believe these journalists are willing to put their name to it.

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[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 37 points 6 months ago (38 children)

I mean... If your goal is to end a genocide and you help get a guy who said "finish the job" elected, yeah, it is your fault.

Let us not pretend otherwise.

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[–] xePBMg9@lemmynsfw.com 13 points 6 months ago

If you would otherwise vote for donald; go ahead and do the protest vote.

[–] criitz@reddthat.com 13 points 6 months ago (30 children)

What happens in November is up to Biden – it will not be the fault of the protest voter if Trump is elected.

If Trump is elected, I will blame both Biden AND the protest voter.

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[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It won't be the protest voters fault of Trump is elected but it would be something they could have prevented. Four more years of radical conservative judge appointments would create generations of degradation of women and minority group rights.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

If that happens, protest voters could have prevented it, the DNC could have prevented it, Biden himself could have prevented it, all of the state governors and state legislators who didn't fix gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts could have prevented it. You and I could have prevented it if we had gone door-to-door to get more people to the polling places. And so on.

It's easy to say that any one group could have prevented it, but how do you choose who to target when doing so?

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[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

I'm voting for Biden. Harm reduction as the article said. But, I have a much better understanding of why people would protest vote after reading the article.

And if Trump wins 2024, we can't put all of the blame on protest voters, when Democrats aren't listening to their base.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

yeah thats what we are saying.

and if both options mean genocide (or one is only less bad about it, whatever that means) them its time to reconsider if you truly live in a democracy

[–] theonyltruemupf@feddit.de 6 points 6 months ago (12 children)

US democracy is weak. With first past the post voting, a two party system is inevitable. But not voting Biden because he is "genocidal" is the dumbest excuse ever.

Fight to change the voting system, but don't fight it by getting a literal fascist elected. Because that's what you are responsible for if you don't vote.

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