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[–] phej@reddthat.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"feeling uncomfortable about someone else" that's what fascism is dear. Conservatives so are so uncomfortable about what people have in their pants and what they do with it that they want to ban people from talking about transgender and sexuality topics

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (31 children)

Maybe you’re new here, but fascism and liberalism are two sides of the capitalist coin. Liberals stopped masking almost the instant Biden set foot in the White House, despite the fact that 2/3 of covid deaths occurred while Biden was office (liberals will also excuse Biden’s “inaction” while claiming that Trump, who occupied the same office, was a tyrannical authoritarian totalitarian dictator who ran roughshod over the hallowed institutions of our precious democracy). Capitalism is a death cult, workers should run the world, not bourgeois scum and their running dogs.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Biden's been in office 2.5x as long as US covid was a thing under Trump.

I agree Biden has decided to throw some lives in the chipper to keep REITs and employers happy, but the "twice as many deaths under Biden" stat is empty ragecalories.

[–] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You’re such a fucking idiot. 😂

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Reliance on ableist insults reveals a casual comfort with eugenics 😉

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[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

it must be embarrassing to be a child amongst adults

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[–] Farman@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Im not sure; while fascism is certainly the logical conclusion of lieralism. And we can observe so in the protofascist regimes in early 20th century mexico and turkey. i think liberalism is paraphiletic to fascism sort of like reptiles are to birds. The material conditions that enable one over the other are distinct enough, and the core ideological asumptions seem to be different.

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

fascism as an ideology is still at it's core a defense of capitalism. liberalism has many flavors but it includes everything that exists to support, reinforce, and defend the capitalist project. fascism is only different in that the violence liberalism wreaks in the colonies are turned inwards, towards the nations of the imperial core. but violence itself is a central pillar of all ideologies and it does not differentiate liberalism from fascism.

[–] giotheflow@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

despite the fact that 2/3 of covid deaths occurred while Biden was office

yea yea fuck capitalism, eat the rich, etc., but this "statistic" is disingenuously presented. The pandemic has existed for much more of Biden's elected years than Trump's. If your only criterion is that we'll pretend both prezs were equally apathetic (they weren't). Do we have to count the years for you? Don't let ideology make you forget basic arithmetic.

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The pandemic has existed for much more of Biden's elected years than Trump's.

Wow I wonder how that could be 🤔. It’s almost as though Biden’s covid “policy” has been criminally ineffective! He can’t even claim credit for the development of the vaccines, since Operation Warp Speed began under Trump!

Biden said that he would listen to the scientists, but forgot to add that they would be eugenicists 😉

[–] TheOtherwise@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Biden literally said it was up to the states to deal with....which is partly what liberals were upset with trump for--not having a cohesive federal response

[–] RustyVenture@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nothing disingenuous about it. Biden’s entire shtick was about following the science and doing the right thing (and being able to win over Republicans on controversial issues, that was the whole reason why we couldn't gamble on anyone else) and he almost immediately tossed that out and adopted his predecessor’s “ignore it and it’ll go away” attitude. The White House pushed a vax-only approach which was proven to be ineffective before he even took office and then went out to brunch. For fuck’s sake, the man had to be publicly shamed into sending out masks and tests during a surge his feckless ass engendered because he pretended the pandemic was over in April 2021, when less than half of the adult population got their first round of shots.

I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt considering how poorly even the states that did give half a fuck in 2020 were managing and there is no doubt that it is a complex job, but once you start mimicking the guy you lambasted a few months prior for exacerbating the problem (not to mention spending the next year and a half prematurely stripping people of basic protections and the ability to reliably test and track within their own communities), you lost what little sympathy I could muster. For all intents and purposes, he owns all of the deaths from the day he stepped into the Oval Office. Worst of all, it's both set the tone for how future leaders will be able to respond to crises, as well as reinforced the notion that our government is ontologically incapable of providing anything for its own citizens besides more terror.

As for which one of these shitstains is more apathetic: Trump gave me more cash (and it wasn't means-tested), suspended my student loan payments, afforded me a rent moratorium if I had lost my job, and didn't end federal mask or testing mandates for traveling because his buddy at Delta Airlines whined to him in a letter. Nothing spells "apathy" like going on 60 Minutes amid yet another surge in cases and saying "the pandemic is over," or cutting off extended UI prematurely, or instructing cities to use their unused Covid funds to give to the pigs.

If Trump was smart enough to even utter the words "wear a mask" at any point in 2020 he would still be in office today. This is not an endorsement, for the record. I don't doubt Trump would have done all of this and worse eventually as well, but the difference is that his callousness was consistently met with resistance and vocal opposition. For Joe Biden, whose callousness is every bit as harmful, there is no effective resistance, no organized campaign to combat the president's anti-science blathering. We all have to get over it and live even more precariously in this shithole lest we be accused of helping Trump win again.

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trump was actually very pro mask at the beginning of the pandemic until the CDC told him they didn't have enough stock for everyone. The CDC first said not to mask up so that they could secure enough supplies for government workers. This is all recorded fact.

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

it was before the right turned it into a culture war issue. the CDC, then as repeatedly since, has blood on their hands - we knew it was an airborne respiratory illness and still they put out bad public policy that backfired tremendously.

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