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To me or you, but not to MAGA. What if, on the topic of crime, he goes off on a tangent and says something to the effect of "I'll just repeal the second amendment, no guns no problem!"
That would be something monumentally stupid for him to say to his MAGA base
He already did pretty much exactly that and zero fucks were given.
They have no principles and no values that they put above their god-king the Mango Mussolini.
And Harris knows exactly how to lead a witness.
It would be something stupid, but #1 they likely won't be watching a debate that's not on one of their propaganda/outrage channels, and #2 his spin teams would either call it fake or just dog whistle it as "not our second amendment rights wink wink"
Maga will care if he looks weak. She will make him look weak.