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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 19 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The "nothing ever happens, propaganda has no effect on me" head-in-grounders crowd has claimed that freeze-gamer gate had zero influence on the election, but it was a squeaker, and even an upset for many in the ruling class that actually did put their money and expectations behind hillgasm . A nudge was enough.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

And beyond that it's created a persistent, ongoing cultural shift in how media is viewed and evaluated. And it was 10 years ago, a lot of those gamegaters who were teenagers and young adults are edging in to their 30s, in to real big kid jobs where they have some degree of influence.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

And it was 10 years ago, a lot of those gamegaters who were teenagers and young adults are edging in to their 30s, in to real big kid jobs where they have some degree of influence.

And some are old enough to already be very, very divorced, and it shows, now shepherding the next generation into following them. heated-gamer-moment

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago

No fault divorce, but at what cost?

Lol fuck. ahhhhhhhh

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Isn't JD Vance on record whining about The Last Jedi on social media

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Reactionaries hated The Last Jedi because feeemale and political us-foreign-policy

I hated The Last Jedi because Rian Johnson can make an entertaining whodunit movie, but "hehe GOTCHA! AGAIN!" is obnoxious and tiresome and out of place in the Star Wars franchise.

We are not the same.

[–] Comp4@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I gave the new trilogy a fair shot. It was just not very good sadly. (Blue haired women had nothing to do with that though)

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago

They all sucked and the worst part was the back and forth narrative slapfight between Abrams and Johnson that lead from the thesis-antithesis of the first two to the clownish synthesis of the third and worst one of all.

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Walking out of the theater my opinion was just a resounding "blah" and in conjunction with Rogue One it killed my interest in seeing any more new Star Wars stuff

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He couldn't even stay with his gotchas. "Oh the ancient texts are now destroyed GOTCHA no they're fine," for example.

"Oh wow maybe Rey will join with Kylo after all NOPE GOTCHA" and so on and so on.

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Yeah, those were the more interesting bits but then those were just walked back or resolved before the movie was even over

Then you had the insanely convoluted hyperdrive chase premise forming the backbone of the entire movie, the sidequest casino planet and the movie's opening cutting from yo momma jokes to characters sacrificing themselves

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There's a subset of the Star Wars fandom that assumes you're stupid if you didn't find all those gotchas and subversions le smart and therefore le good. It's the old liberals versus chuds thing, mostly, tough I'm sure some leftists also believe it to stick it to the chuds (and the treat critics).

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago

"Oh Luke is about to confront Kylo GOTCHA he's just sending an illusion and he wasn't just killed OH GOTCHA he died because sending that illusion made him too tired or something. Enjoy your gradually fading and somehow now very important symbolic ghost dice, Kylo!"

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That whole chase made no sense, the First Order could've sent a bunch of fighters to attack them, since they'd be much faster than the capital ships they were chasing, or just send in ships from other nearby systems to intercept them (unless their entire fleet was chasing them, which'd be nonsensical in its own way).

At least there was great dialog like ”We are the spark that'll light the fire that'll burn the First Order down” amerikkka-clap

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago

”We are the spark that'll light the fire that'll burn the First Order down”

POWER OF ONE 🍷 maybe-later-kiddo

POWER OF TWO maybe-later-honey 🍷🍷 maybe-later-kiddo

POWER OF MAAAAAAAAAANYYYYYYY maybe-later-honey 🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷 maybe-later-kiddo

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

God I hope so.

[–] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Both democrats and republicans are fascists. Trump is no more a fascist than Biden

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Trump is no more a fascist than Biden

berdly-actually 99% Hitler is still mathematically different than 100% Hitler.

[–] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Biden has killed like eight times the amount of people

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Biden has killed like eight times the amount of people

Explain what you mean with this. I have no idea what you're referring to.

[–] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Ukraine war and Palestinian genocide are both on Biden, and more people died of Covid under Biden than Trump

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Maybe the numbers do add up there. Well, shit.

That doesn't make them equally Hitler, then. Makes one more accomplished as a Hitler, while one is more obnoxious, sloppy, and directly incompetent as a leader (which is arguably more like Hitler anyway under some metrics).

[–] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

my point is that America didn't just recently "become fascist" through some gamer social reactionary tantrum. America has always been a fascist state and was doing medical experiments on black people against their will and running slave penal colonies for hundreds of years. Westerners really don't understand that America didn't just "become fascist" it IS fascist at its core and always has been, and stuff like Gamergate are just tiny symptoms not causes

I really don't like it when people try to blame everything on Trumpism and act like it's an anomaly and we were less fascist beforehand. It's even done here, and in the "99% hitler vs 100% hitler" memes. Hitler was 50% as fascist as America. We are worse and more successful at being evil and fascist. Hitler looked to us for inspiration and failed to reach our level.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I didn't say it was a solitary movement in a vaccuum with no precedent; I said it was a nudge further into a new development beyond what was already there.

[–] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

There's an argument to be made that GG was responsible for neo-fascism blooming in the west.

This comment from SorosFootSoldier was the one I primarily took issue with. Naive, idealist and really lib-coded comment if you ask me, and then you adding on agreeing and saying that GG caused Trump (which caused Fascism) is what made me mention how silly this entire "analysis" was. Biden is equally as fascist as Trump, all the anti-GG libs who are now zionists are equally as much fascists as their GG counterparts (See: Brianna Wu)

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I wasn't going there myself. These things are intersectional, connected, and while they don't start in a vacuum, they also don't have singular exclusive causes or influences.

Like if someone just barks "material conditions" and completely ignores the effect of propaganda, they are clearly missing the difference between people of roughly the same economic conditions where one group has many more members that decide to embrace fascism than the other group. not-immune-to-propaganda

[–] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

at some point you are going to need to reconcile with reality that some gamers getting mad about boobies online and harassing some journalists is absolutely nothing in the world historical scale. You also can't respond to the "anti-fascist" anti-GG side becoming all pro-genocide libs now who are also fascists.

I wasn't just saying "material conditions" I'm pointing out exactly how both of your analysis is flawed because its saying that we became fascist or became more fascist, which never happened.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

is absolutely nothing in the world historical scale

Sometimes a nudge is just that: a nudge.

Something can be small but outright dismissing it as nothing approaches thought-termination instead of analysis.

[–] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

a nudge towards WHAT?!? TRUMP = BIDEN. They are the same. They nudged nothing nowhere, America went from 100% fascist to 100% fascist.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (13 children)

a nudge towards WHAT?!? TRUMP = BIDEN

6-3 decisions on the Supreme Court are directly worsening already bad material conditions for most people now living in the United States. A slow decay versus a fast decay is still a difference.

Again, chanting about absolute equivalencies is just sounding downright dismissive and hostile right now. You're not even really doing analysis at this point, just being really mad at people.

EDIT: Adding in what I meant by that.

What I was getting at is that the razon-thin margins (that even surprised the ruling class backers of the Clinton campaign) of Trump's victory meant that even small nudges of further interest and commitment to his cause were enough to secure him four years of court appointments. Judges in the US were already bad, but a lot of shifts in the court chemistry made a lot of once-unimaginable shifts in ruling precedent happen with, yes, 6-3 rulings for the most part up to the present day.

[–] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

i mean just come out and say you are a lesser evil electoralist and you support the DNC if that's what you're getting at

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

No.

If you're going to conjure piles of straw, set them ablaze, then scream at them while cursing my name, I think this conversation has run its course.

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[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Fuck Biden but the reason more people died under Biden is because Trump literally encouraged the spread of it with culture war bullshit until thousands of people were dying every day at the start of bidens term.

Fuck him and he didn't do shit to stop it but getting a car up to 100 mph, jumping out of the drivers door and then blaming the person who grabbed the wheel for the crash seems shitty, even if the person that grabbed the wheel dumped it straight into the ditch.

I hate Biden and don't think he's any better than Trump but I think there's a bit of a tendency to overcorrect and act like Trump actually isn't that bad, which even if its lib shit the orange man is in fact bad.

[–] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

stop using nonsensical metaphors to understand reality. Look at concrete actions and results of those actions.

Biden is perpetrating a genocide right now against Palestinians, and started a war against Russia that has claimed over a million lives. Biden's policies if he were president in 2020 would be roughly identical to Trump's policies, and even less people would follow guidelines because there wouldn't be an anti-Trump culture war to make Liberals want to wear masks to show their moral virtues. Covid would have been swept under the rug even more quietly, with less pushback from the population.

It's not that Trump is "better", that's not the point. The point is countering the radlib tendency among the left to overly freak out about "Trumpism" and "Fascism" as if it's some anomaly and every blame can be placed on Trump's shoulders. He's the scapegoat, and when you repeat this kind of naive idealist analysis that could only be done by like a 20-year old or younger, you are playing into the DNC narrative of Trumpwashing. THAT is the reason more hardline leftists downplay Trump being to blame for everything, because the squishy radlib left are trying to place all the blame on GOP/Trump, which is a narrative being fed to them by the DNC.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago

stop using nonsensical metaphors to understand reality. Look at concrete actions and results of those actions.

Their metaphor was pretty solid. Trump created the conditions for Covid that Biden inherited and didn't fix. It was a group effort to slaughter all those people, even though most of them died once Biden took over just due to timing.

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[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

At this point they're either both at 99% or both at 100%

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago

Pretty damn close, yeah, and only shifting in hitler-detector amounts categorically here and there.