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[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sad to see that basic human rights are party mindsets still.

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Disingenuous. You want to talk human rights? How about Democratic support for Israel?

But I would only bring that into conversation when someone's being disingenuous, because.. Oh, yes. It's disingenuous.

The worst part is, the Republican party is having a massive leadership crisis, and rather than dating things like "your leaders are fucking you over", dems seem to think it's a great idea to "shame" the Republicans - i.e., insult them for their identity - and alienaten them.

I am really starting to feel that Democrats don't care how anyone votes, as long as they can get their moral superiority rocks off without having to actually dip their toes into nuanced (and actually moral) reasoning. Like, there's so much fear, that you can't help but create the situations you fear worst.

[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yea I speak out against the leadership supporting Israel, what's your point. I see tons of Republicans supporting the genocide wholeheartedly and loving how much their leadership spews hate toward me and my people and my friends for just existing.

It isn't a leadership crisis, they know exactly who they have and WANT exactly who they have. I don't know how else I can try and help them understand in good faith when they constantly spit at us. Look at project 2025 as the most recent example, they deserve to be shamed if they still call themselves what they do after seeing that. There's only so much I can do and so much I can take from them. I'm probably gonna trigger you for saying this but we didn't talk Hitler down in good faith. We didn't break slavery with talks and communication, we didn't bring the lgbt community that I belong to into the mainstream and out of the closet by asking nicely and convincing people with words alone. Ghandi didn't liberate India because of his nonviolence, it was thanks to like minded but violent groups showing force that ghandis message was listened too. The black panthers had to go out and show force for mlks talks to matter.

The 'fear' I have isn't self created, it's one I've experienced for just existing from very specific people who support a very specific ideology.

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 0 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah.. It really doesn't matter where it came from. The fear and the hate get in the way, and cause recursion.

That's not to say violence isn't necessary sometimes. It is. But there mentality with which you approach it has massive effect.