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Donald Trump continues to suck up to the Russian president.

If Ukraine were to suddenly surrender to Russia, everything would be “much better,” at least according to Donald Trump.

During an afternoon press conference Wednesday, the Republican presidential nominee urged the Eastern European nation to submit to the foreign power, claiming that any deal, no matter how dismal for Ukraine’s freedom, would have been better than the current state of affairs.

“Ukraine is gone. It’s not Ukraine anymore. You can never replace those cities and towns, and you can never replace the dead people, so many dead people,” Trump said. “Any deal, even the worst deal, would have been better than what we have right now.


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[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 81 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I know a Ukrainan born US citizen with a significant amount of family still living in Ukraine who is also a Trump supporter. He hates Russia and wants Ukraine to maintain independence. I asked him a couple of weeks ago what he thought would happen to Ukraine if Trump was reelected and he said Ukraine would probably be left to fend for themselves. This statement did not come with remorse or condemnation, it was delivered in the same way you would describe the winner of a sporting event. A simple statement of fact.

I don't know how to respond to that kind of thinking. If the understanding that your vote might lead to the death of your family members doesn't break through the political polarization in this country and make you reconsider then I don't think anything will.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 61 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I'm trans, and I'm not the only one in my family.

My Dad claims he votes Republican for tax purposes.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 57 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Tell him that he won't be the one getting the tax cuts.

[–] Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Reasonable answer to provide with ample evidence to back up claim.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

So to him the potential to possibly pay less taxes is more important than his own child's safety and right to exist.

And that's not even mentioning that there is like a 99.98% chance that nothing Trump does with respect to taxes will ever affect him (positively) in any way.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Yeah that’s a thing trans people are unfortunately used to as a community. I’m lucky to not be in such a situation, my ex father votes republican for all the reasons

[–] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 27 points 3 months ago

Your dad is a cheap asshole who is making your country worse by doing so. Please let him know

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I was going to say that maybe the concept was too abstract for him, so the thought of losing family members to war didn't even cross his mind. It could never happen to him, right?

But then again, Ukraine has been at war with Russia for some time now. Surely he knows people who have perished in the war?

Did he give you a reason why he supports Trump? Is it maybe a misogyny thing?

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

I've known this guy for a long time. He's grown up in rural America so he has all the same reasons for supporting Trump as those people typically do with the added oddity of being more impacted by the negative outcomes of those policies. Guns, immigration, general economic stuff. At least those are the reasons they'll state publicly.

It seems more like an in-group thing than anything else to me. I would have expected some sort of expression of disagreement with Trump on this particular issue but he says he thinks Democrats will do the same thing despite all evidence to the contrary. That is how he's chosen to rationalize the situation.