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Calif. sues Catholic hospital for ‘refusing abortion to mom whose life was at risk’
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I don't actually think that's even close to true.
If heart disease and cancer are god's will, it counts. /s
I’m pretty sure they mean human-caused catastrophes. Although if we count meat consumption as a sort of quasi-religious behavior then maybe you’re right.
They are referring to the violence and wars committed over religion.
I'm aware, and I stand by what I said.
Estimates place death from all wars since recorded history at 1.1 billion. I'll grant you a bone and say religion has been responsible for an additional 2 billion deaths through any other means throughout all of history.
Mosquito borne diseases are estimated to have killed 52 billion people throughout history.
Original comment said religion killed more than all other causes put together. That's just simply not true.
Cause in the context above would probably be ideological. So the meaning is compared to other forms of ideology or other reasons for people to kill each other. Not natural disaster or diseases. Because obviously most people die from natural causes, and are not killed.
The original quote that was probably thought of is:
George Carlin: "More people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason"
Which is like 95% of all war. Mein Kampf mentions god literally dozens of times. No secular democracies have ever gone to war with each other, and virtually all autocratic regimes are religious.
id imagine its heart disease, and malaria
Ideological cause.
There's SO many causes of heart disease, many of which are exacerbated and sometimes even caused by religion.
Besides, if you're religious enough to be a creationist, it stands to reason (to use the least appropriate word possible) that you believe ALL misery was created by your deity, including malaria.
Yeah, I have to agree it's basically assuredly not true, even when accounting for:
Undoubtedly religion is hugely harmful, and I'm its biggest detractor that I personally know, but we live in an era where heart disease and cancer exist. Even saying religion causes a plurality of deaths would be wrong; "more than all others combined" is bullshit on a level that I can't believe it got so many upvotes.
We can say that religion results in a fuckload of unnecessary deaths without lying.
So what about the hundreds of years where medical science was banned from studying the body. Where they had to steal corpses and learn in secrecy. How many deaths from cancer and heart disease could have prevented had we not been stifled.
We are still banned from studying stem cells to a degree or using them for cures if they came from a fetus. Religion is still preventing medical advancement for no reason.
And the dark ages?
Look, any non-natural human-caused suffering I can think of can be linked to cults. And religion is just a super popular cult.
I've been thinking about this for a minute, and I think a good standard here is making a list of (relatively) non-overlapping causes of death that have claimed over a billion human lives.
Infectious disease is almost certainly at least one entry on this list, primarily secular war as well, starvation/famine probably a few times over, cancer and heart disease are probably distinct entries, and death attempting to grow/hunt food. I suspect deaths by religion could be on that list as well, but it's the entry I'm least confident in.
In every sense of the word, this is a bad list to be on, but I don't think religion is near the biggest culprit on the list, even if you do a lot of special pleading, and group all deaths by religious cause together, but split each disease, war, etc up for some reason.
According to John Green, it’s tuberculosis.