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Harris vows at Michigan rally to ‘do everything in my power to end the war in Gaza’
(www.theguardian.com)
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Seems a little too little too late for it to move the needle much, especially given how much early voting has happened. Harris’s position on Israel has been so bizarre, pretty sure Israel has even been actively working against Democrats this whole time anyways.
Way to late and it's ridiculous she waited till desperation to take a good stance.
It's basically the same pattern Biden followed. Even when he did fits and starts of good things, it was way too late and only felt like he was doing it for political reasons, not because he had a change of heart.
Biden very clearly was saying things to try and keep a lid on domestic unrest. He literally parroted, (and still does) whatever Netanyahu says. Then he always blames Hamas for Netanyahu tossing in a known deal breaker at the last minute, (occupation of Gaza), even though Biden said he doesn't want that either.
Biden's entire conduct over Israel has been in bad faith.
Harris could not possibly have the same line as Biden so far because she doesn't have control over weapons shipments or negotiations. All she can do is call for peace, and yeah those calls get tainted when your boss is saying the exact same stuff in bad faith. But if we aren't smart enough to realize she cannot possibly be operating in bad faith at his level until January 20th, then we deserve everything we get.
Peace has always been her call. We have yet to see how she would work for it because she isn't in the hot seat yet. We have a choice between someone calling for peace, but not really pro Palestinian, and someone calling for ultra death squads.
Grow up.
With early voting and the roar of everything this is too late to make a huge wave difference I think.
What's up with the grow up comment. I'm just talking about the strategy being ineffective. It's completely random.
Because your comment reads like the standard .ml stuff trying to tie her to Netanyahu no matter what she says.
There is somehow always a moving Boogeyman in here.
And yet it's everyone else that has to grow up.
I was told to grow up the other day for simply pointing out why Muslim/Arab voters may be struggling internally with voting for Harris. Just, y'know, applying empathy and putting myself into someone's shoes who has way more involved in that than I do.
When I pointed out that this is why Democrats lose voters (they're condescending and dismissive to their own party because their issues/concerns aren't "convenient" right now) I'm screamed at for supporting Trump and how much worse it would be.
100,000 voters cast protest votes during the primaries in just Michigan alone over the Palestinian genocide, it's clearly an important issue to your constituents and they deserve to be treated with respect. Not condescension and insults, as if they can't possibly comprehend their choices here.
If Trump wins, don't look to the liberals you hate to swing Trump to the left on this one. Eventually, under Christian Nationalism & Fascism, there won't be any Palestinians or their supporters left, so I guess it's a self-resolving issue.
If Trump wins, there is no one to blame but Harris and the Democrats, full stop. If we fall to fascism, which I hope we don't (I already begrudgingly voted Harris this morning), I will blame no one but the Democrat Party.
They chose to ignore the Muslim/Arab voices protesting this past year, they chose to run on a moderate presidential platform, and they refuse to denounce a genocide, or even do anything about it (Biden is still president, and has continued to do nothing but send Netanyahu whatever he wants).
You all want Muslim/Arab voters to vote for Harris to prevent fascism, well, they wanted you all to take their wants seriously, and Biden/Harris haven't.
So if they lose, it's on the Democrat party, not anyone else.
It's wild that there was this like straight talking past the voters from the Democratic party complaining about Harris having to be "perfect" when most of the people with complaints directly stated what the issue they wanted covered was. Like as if there was some mystery of what the undecided voters wanted while ignoring it.
I will also put full blame on the Democratic Party. There is no one else to blame at this point. You can't gesture at 40+% of the populace and say somewhere in there a few thousand people could maybe have done things better. It's like jousting a windmill. They won't hear the complaints.
It was picked who they wanted to vote for them, if it didn't work they needed a different strategy or a wider voter base maybe?
I swear people also seemingly forget the protest votes in the primary and say "we should have voiced our concerns then" as if that wasn't exactly that and what made us get "Biden but as a woman of color". People have been barely choking down Biden policies since 2020. Ugh. But it's us that's wrong right Blitzø?
IIRC she said she wouldn't remain silent, and then didn't really say anything committal or concrete.