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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Unless we understand why they didn't vote it's just going to keep happening

[–] cogitase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think most didn’t vote because they are apathetic, ill-informed morons with the attention span of a gnat. They don’t understand inflation, tariffs, deflation, international relations, trade, renewable energy, oil production, gas prices, vaccines, healthcare, or much of anything else. They also don’t care to learn about how anything works. It’s not like the last chapter of the history book on the United States is going to blame the pro-democracy candidate for not doing enough to appeal to a public that was too lazy to continue living in a democracy. They have access to more educational resources than any humans in history and they just ignore it.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If that's the case then we are well and truly fucked because that's not changing without significant education investment, and Trump is going to get rid of the Department of Education.

[–] korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I believe we are well and truly fucked.

Education and critical thinking is lacking in the majority of the electorate and the trend is that we elect leaders that reinforce that instead of mitigate it. Defunding education doesn't improve this situation, and I feel we hit a tipping point where we might not be able to get these skills back in the curriculum going forward.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Humanity in general is fucked. This isn't a uniquely American problem. The growth of entertainment and technology has broken our primitive monkey brains.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Defunding education doesn’t improve this situation, and I feel we hit a tipping point where we might not be able to get these skills back in the curriculum going forward.

People always say education is to blame but the educational system was significantly better when the majority of Trump voters were in the school system. It's only gotten worse in my lifetime and I responded to say that I think the tipping point was COVID.

Those attending school four years ago appear to have suffered a large blow educationally and I've read lots of things suggesting that those losses may be permanent. Some losses are from the school closures, some are from COVID itself which has a deleterious effect on mental acuity.

In addition to all of this, the amount of microplastics Americans have been eating since 2016 has roughly doubled. We're finding microplastics in people's balls and brains.

[–] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This time, the election wasn't about dems or reps, it was about democracy or fascism. If you didn't vote, means you are ok with fascism.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Or just incredibly ignorant. I think we vastly overestimate the political intelligence of the people in this country.

There are a metric fuckton of apathetic people that are "too busy" to give a shit about politics unfortunately. Hell just look at the articles after the election that called out Google searches for "did Biden drop out?" spiking on election day.

These people are too busy watching whatever braindead Netflix bullshit, or just not watching anything at all to know what's even going on.

[–] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That can't excuse them.

Even if they lived in a bubble, it's impossible that they never heard anything about all the orange turd rants and how dangerous he is. Not voting for any reason makes you an accomplice of whoever wins, because your apathy means you are ok with whatever goes, including fascism.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

That might be correct but it's not going to get more people to vote, which is what we need to happen.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But when you look at what people said in the exit poll interviews, most were not voting for fascism when they voted for Trump. They were voting on the illusion that he would be better for their pocket book.

In exit polls, people actually hated Trump and his extremism significantly more, but they’re hurting so much financially that they were willing to roll the dice on his “I’ll take you back to 2017-19” bullshit.

He go in the same way other strongmen often get into power, claims of economic populism.

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Billionaires own the legacy media and most social media.

In other words, they control the means of social reproduction.

[–] skvlp@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yes, it’s true that this election was about democracy vs fascism, but the election result tells us that it’s possible to see the election from other angles where it’s about other things. I think the Democratic party has to view the election from those angles, see what those things are, and take that to heart.

[–] freshcow@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I think that's a great way to look at it. I'm hoping we can get some better leadership in the democratic party willing to listen to people and offer fresh ideas instead of taking the "if you don't vote for me then you're hitler" approach.
Leaning to the right didn't work for Harris. We need someone to energize the base by offering meaningful change.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Yes, it’s true that this election was about democracy vs fascism, but the election result tells us that it’s possible to see the election from other angles where it’s about other things.

Yes and it's extremely possible to think the election was about something else when every available form of media talked about it being about something else.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It’s your right to point fingers and blame people, but if you want to get them to vote and bring them over to your side, that is historically not been the best motivator.

[–] skvlp@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago

I think there’s truth to this. The Democratic party has to engage with people in good faith and learn what it’s important for them and why they voted the way they did.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I don't think my vote does anything, but I know if I don't vote my mom will disown me.

So guilt might work.