When called out on it, they then doubled down on this dogshit take: https://archive.ph/quYyb
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I can deal with Andy Yen being a dumbass in his own time, but the official Proton reddit account doubling down on this shit is over the line for me.
I literally just renewed for 2 years a couple days ago. I will be looking for alternatives and hopefully I can get a partial refund or something.
Was about to pay for proton. Not now
I'm glad I never did. I looked into proton a few months back and was highly suspicious of their non-profit status. I could never put my finger on why but felt off.
Glad I never fully committed to it.
Non-profit is a tax status not a business plan.
There’s Mullvad.
Unfortunately I made the mistake of really digging myself into the Proton ecosystem.
My current plan is:
VPN -> Mullvad
Mail -> Tuta
Pass -> Bitwarden (not sure if I want to host yet)
Drive -> Nextcloud (Self-Hosted)
Calendar -> Nextcloud (Self-Hosted)
Standard Notes -> Memos (Self-Hosted) (already done)
Simple Login -> no fucking clue, I am dreading migrating these.
I just migrated all of my aliases to addy.io, but I was also fortunate in that all of my aliases were based on a domain that I own. It was a simple as exporting the alias list to a CSV, formatting it a little for addy.io, then importing it!
If all of your aliases are based off of simple login domains, then that’s gonna be a lot harder. You’ll have to change your email on all of your. If that’s the case, in the future, I would definitely recommend getting a second domain for generating these aliases so that migrating is the problem in the future!
As for addy.io, I honestly love the service. The Lite plan is plenty for my needs and only costs $12 a year. That and Bitwarden are a steal imo.
I'm in the same boat luckily, so maybe this won't be as bad as I'm expecting. I'll take a look at Addy.io as well, thanks for the recommendation!
I was JUST about to take that plunge myself.
Is there a reason you're not planning on migrating both mail and calendar to Tuta?
Mostly because if I'm going to go through the trouble of maintaining a Nextcloud instance, I might as well use its calendar to maintain more control of my data. If Nextcloud gives me trouble down the line (as it tends to do in my experience) then I'll give Tuta's calendar a try.
I'm optimistic for Nextcloud though, the latest AIO docker versions seem solid.
I have a Nextcloud Instance that’s been pretty solid for me for a couple years, but I don’t use their all-in-one image so I can’t comment on that. I do use Radicale instead of Nextcloud’s calendar/contacts though and I removed basically all of the Nextcloud apps except the file sharing. Idk why. I just don’t like when everything is in one thing lol
Great guide! I believe Tuta has the simple login functions.
I looked into this because I'm considering switching to them, and it seems like they only support it for custom domains.
Do you happen to know any alternatives for their email? Some security guy on YouTube was talking about how their email aliasing is better because if you lose a single email/password combo, you're not subject to any other breaches.
I mean I already use a password manager since I adopted KeePass like 15 years ago and use Bitwarden now, but I still like that concept.
Posteo or tuta or fastmail.
Depends on if anyone you message uses proton. If they do, you can always get their pgp key and save it to thunderbird. If nobody you know uses proton, there is no benefit to their service over the above.
PurelyMail is also nice and cheap, but it's not E2E encrypted.
I have heard Tuta is good.
I can vouch for Mullvad working well on Android and Arch in the past years.
This is one of the reasons I will never fork over so much cash for a yearly subscription to anything. I pay monthly on everything I subscribe to, because you never know when that service decides, “Yeah. Fuck it. Let’s go downhill, full sprint!”