A lot of Burgerlander "Christians" don't even know let alone believe in the harrowing of Hell, which is a core Christian doctrine. Burgerlander "Christianity" doesn't offer a good answer why Jesus had to die on the cross (why did Jesus had to die for our sins and not just say "psych" before ascending to heaven as a final dab against the Pharisees and Romans?) while the harrowing of Hell completely explains why: Jesus had to die so he could go to Sheol, where everybody including all the Old Testament prophets like Moses were stuck in. The idea is that Jesus fooled Satan into thinking that since Jesus can feel pain and even die, he'll also go to Sheol like the other prophets where he had to submit to Satan. The Saturday between Good Friday and Easter Sunday is Jesus beating the shit out of Satan and freeing everyone in Sheol. That is the real reason why Jesus had to die on the cross.

Holy Saturday is just commemorating when Jesus descended to Sheol and ripped and teared the demons like Doomguy.

[–] Cammy@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago

I never knew this. Holy shit. I was raised as a US Christian and one of the reasons I became an atheist was because everyone made Jesus sound indifferent to those suffering in hell.

I distinctly asked a leader why, if only people who died after Jesus' crucifixion are saved, the people who came before and those ignorant of Jesus have to suffer hell.

The answer I got was basically 'thems the breaks lol'

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago

I seriously didn't learn about the Harrowing until I was in my late 20s, despite being raised in the church and later studying a lot of art history (how there aren't more Renaissance paintings of the Harrowing is beyond me. Shit's metal as fuck). It doesn't help Christians' understanding of Hell is largely based on fanfic, specifically Dante's Inferno.

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago

Somehow I'm not surprised that burgerland "christians" (Ameretics? I seriously need a term for these ghouls) don't know basic theology. If burgerlanders are willing to file into corporate mega-churches and watch some millionaire preach Calvinism-but-worse to them before they hop into their private jet (it's for missionary work I swear!) they are truly lost.

If Mary and Joseph were looking for a place to stay they would be hard pressed to find a church in America that would help them. Most would call the cops on those vagrants

[–] Yeat@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago

Can’t believe I’ve never heard of the harrowing until now