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Looks like if you re approached by ICE, you need to assume it's a kidnapping.
Indeed, do not cooperate and fight back. They are NOT a legal authority. If they have a uniformed officer with them (state or city), demand the officer arrest you instead. It MAY be worth it to cause a scuffle and get arrested for assault, which could be dropped as self defense. I'm not a lawyer though, just my opinion. You have to fight these assholes. Get the low level pukes into court and tied up fighting charges. Make them scared to do their master's bidding.
And being sent to El Salvador is a death sentence. I would act in self-defense appropriately.
Glad to hear it. State law is not your friend, and now, it's your enemy. If you're targeted, the vest that says POLICE (or ICE) means nothing. They are just people in a fancy outfit. They're still there to intrude and fuck up your life.
Laying down doesn't save these people any more.
Laying down doesn't save them anymore? Never has.
Because it 100% is a kidnapping. This is so freaking dangerous and entrapping.
And compliance will not save you
At this point, you’re fucked, might as well arm yourself. Rather go out like that then be tortured in a foreign prison.
This, or republican representatives growing a spine/conscience, are the only ways this stops.
The first of those is a non-starter, so what I’m saying is, this is the ONLY way this stops.
I’m Canadian who hates guns, and my wife is Bolivian. We live in rural Saskatchewan, but in light of “51st state” talk we have have purchased firearms and hit the gun range a few times in the last couple months. Do we think the two of us can stop the US military, should it come to that? Of course not. Have we had the conversation about what we would do and what we’re willing to sacrifice together for our country? Goddamn right we have. We have a pretty good life and are fairly well off- but we’re both absolutely fine going out together and taking out as many MAGA shitheads out as we can, if needed. If we had young kids the calculus would maybe be a bit different- but we don’t, and it isn’t.
All this to say, if we lived in the US, we would absolutely be armed to the teeth.
Also Canadian. My wife and I have done the same. We aren't anti gun because we use guns to live. Hunting is food for us not sport. We have those kids you speak of as well.
I'll be going she'll be staying with them. I have medical skills that will be valueble and spent my life hunting and being in the outdoors. Luckily we live very rural and our home is in a place that has little to no attraction for ole yam tits. We hope our little cabin hidden deep in the woods and our massive garden can keep my family hidden and fed while I make sure the last thing those American fucks hear is a talking tree.
True north, baby
I know I mentioned reacting with violence, but I’m at a crossroads. I’m in a red state. Do we put our heads down and wait for an organized resistance? Do we go blasting? Thing with violence is, it affects more than the intended people. If I were to actually fight against the forces that be, they would also go after my family. Everyone around me seems to think guns and blasting away…but violence definitely has a consequence.
I’m also drunk rn and don’t know what else can calm my nerves for this timeline. The only thing that brings me hope is being a community organizer and seeing the hope in peoples faces. I’m doing the most I can in a non-violent way. I’m scared when I have to make that decision to change the course.
Do you believe that because the disappeared people didn't fight back their families are safe?
Do you believe that because the disappeared people didn't fight back their families are safer?
What don’t understand is- if the US “left” is so committed to non-violence, why have we not seen a tech-rebellion? Why is there no cyber-“terrorism” or white hat hackers fighting this shit? Democrats have spent the last four decades loudly and proudly insisting that they’re smarter than the ignorant conservatives- so why aren’t they hard at work at outsmarting them?
Without that last resort, violence is going to have to be what it comes down to.
Because that would be "protesting the wrong way." The left is obsessed with decorum, and most people seem to think that if we get enough people holding signs on street corners, then they'll have to stop the slide into fascism.
I can’t remember how many signs on street corners it took to stop Hitler. I think it was a lot, though.
Totally understand, but violence dose have consequences to those you love. That’s why I’m at a crossroads.