Imagine fucking comparing that loser Elon Musk to Sergei Korolev. 
Embarrassing.
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I’m not going to name any names and I don’t wanna start drama but there’s a minority of posters in the news thread that will act all sarcastic and rude if you say anything anti russia (like for example if you imply Pravda ru or RT are bad sources) and basically imply that makes you pro Ukraine which i am most certainly not lol
I think it can depend on context. Like if you say they are potentially just as unreliable as western news media, then it's probably fine. But just saying "they're bad" in a vacuum sounds like a lib dismissing them because they are Russian, not because of any analysis of what they produce.
Or maybe some people are just weirdly pro-Russia around here, missing the "critical" part of "critical support"
Ukraine is bad, which must then mean... Yes of course! Russia is good!!!
See it’s easy! “Look mom I’m doing high level material analysis!”
Dialectics means there's a good side and a bad side
The generous assumption is that they’re used to liberals online and irl saying anti-Russia things and turning out to be rabidly pro-Ukraine. But I don’t really see it. People call Putin cringe and frustrating all the time so I guess it really is a tiny minority or I’m just not online enough to pick up on it.
And yes RT and Pravda aren’t very reliable and are as trustworthy as the Daily Mail. I tend to just scroll past any posts that source them, especially if they claim to contain some big reveal that other sources haven’t mentioned.
Yeah like I said it’s a minority but noticeable enough imo
Try pointing out a Russian flaw unrelated to the SMO in the mega, they'll find you
Some people are map-painter brained and seem to think that multi-polarity is the end goal with the ends justifying the means.
Multi-polarity may be a more favorable condition than US dominance but no serious leftist supports throwing thousands of working class into a meat grinder just to tilt the balance of power between two capitalist blocs.
yeah even if the ukraine proxy conflict plays a meaningful part in the destruction of
hegemony there are more direct and less bloody ways (unless the us makes them bloody like iraq or libya) to work towards that.
The real question is if that's better or worse than the random telegram links with no other source.
It's something that almost inspires me to hang out in more liberal spaces. In a way I wish hexbear was more welcoming to liberals, and re-educating them, instead of dunking on them immediately (some behavior is deserving of being immediately dunked, but not all), I find it very Twitter-brained (and that goes back to this site's roots on the old sub).
I encourage our comrades to challenge themselves and make an attempt to actually engage with liberals that aren't totally bad-faith. Let them justify the dunk before going in on them, and also don't paste a wall of links at them, it doesn't count.
I don’t think we need to be welcoming to liberals. Debate doesn’t work to change anyone’s mind, and everywhere else on the internet is filled with “free speech” complainers who think their ignorant ideas have an equal right to be heard in a socialist forum.
The intolerant approach doesn’t work on everyone, but for some people I think it does. Some people have never been told, firmly, that their views suck. It’s just one big marketplace of ideas where all views are considered sacred.
Where I will agree is that we shouldn’t jump to a dunk on someone undeserving just to look/feel cool. Have to be able to read the room. I agree we should re-educate instead of only teasing. But that re-education doesn’t have to be respectful of liberal thought. It should be unequivocal about the righteous superiority of socialist thought, in exactly the same way as we might be unsympathetic toward more obviously wrong ideology like Nazism.
Yeah don't get me wrong, we don't need to approach them as equals or even debate, it's good to be firm and just tell them what's what. Nothing more or less.
Fair, I have also seen unnecessary dogpiling on occasion
"debate" is for the audience
It’s only good for entertainment. I doubt anyone ever had their mind changed from watching a debate. If anything it just normalizes bad stances by crowding out the good ones (gish gallop but not necessarily intentional).
A ton of brain cycles are wasted on the mental gymnastics required for understanding liberalism
I can't say it's certainly common, but I personally, and at least a couple friends, have changed my mind on things by seeing debates.
Shouting at each other on forums is not actually a debate though. Online forums ape a debate, but an actual debate requires strict moderation, a limited scope, and timed responses.
And this is besides the point that in a debate, it isn't usually the best idea that wins, but the best rhetorician, as has been pointed out as far back as Socrates. If anything, a forum discussion or dialogue is more informative to the average person than a debate, but those are best done in person while mildly intoxicated.
we need a second Hexbear for this
"Sir, a second Hexbear has hit lemmy"
lemmy.ml?
Nothing wrong with spinning off a new instance and federating back....
we've got a bunch of extra domain names after that thing that happened.
Damn why haven't we thought of this before?
Everyone has always wanted to put lib.rehab to use. Maybe just spin up an auxiliary instance and see what happens? We just don't want to see it go reactionary and we can prevent that by pulling the plug if things got weird
MoreTankieHexbear & Hexbear_2_2_2
Someone could finally put lib.rehab to use.
I only ever see
get dunked on tbh. Earnest libs get the wall of text treatment, and most of those devolve into smuglords themselves in the replies before they get any hostility.
yeah it's a very small number of users but definitely a thing on here sometimes