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Only 61%? Have I lost my fucking mind? This feels unbelievable to read.
I think the biggest thing I learned this last election is just how much of the country are HUGE pieces of shit. I thought there were maybe 15-20% that were on board with this Nazi shit. It's well over double that.
We fucked up during Reconstruction, and we fucked up again after WWII. Every single Confederate/Nazi should've been disposed of and never allowed to have any influence whatsoever. Instead the cancer has metastasized to every single organ in the body.
Sherman had the right idea.
I think your original estimate is correct, but the problem is that they've captured enough media outlets that sow doubt about right-wingers' true natures to make another 20-30% just uncertain enough to vote for the nazis.
Agree with your remediation, though. Confederates, Nazis, and J6ers are enemies of the state and should be forever barred from holding public office.
It's a ton of the media really, not 'just enough' afaict. So much reporting from all the US mainstream media treats everything he says with kid gloves. If he invaded canada tomorrow the headline on CNN would be something like "US military deployed in proactive peacekeeping mission to the north".
We have to learn our lesson and not repeat it no matter how many crocodile tears are pleas to Civility and mercy there are, even if they come from liberals. Not going far enough is a bigger risk than going too far
Operation Paperclip would like to have a word.
Yeah, unfortunately it’s about 1/3 of the country
Right? Like I thought everyone agreed the Japanese internment camps was a dark spot on our history.
Guess it's just because we like the Japanese now?
Yeah. I'm in Merced, CA, which was one of the initial collection points for detained Japanese Americans before they were put in the internment camps. We have a little memorial at the fair grounds, which is where they were collected up at. I've always believed that people 50, 100, 200, and 2000 years ago really aren't fundamentally different than people today, and anyone today who professes to be disgusted by Jim Crow but still embraces modern forms of oppression would have embraced Jim Crow back then. We're seeing that now. These folks, without even a second thought, will eagerly embrace Hispanic internment camps while denouncing the Japanese internment camps as something that never should have happened, and dismiss any semblance with a thought terminating "but this is different."
This is really well said. Throughout history, you can reliably find people on both sides of moral and humanitarian issues like this. There were Roman elite who spoke out against slavery in antiquity, there were Brits who mocked the American Colonies for owning slaves while founding a country based on freedom, there have always been men who believed in equal treatment and rights for women. Right and wrong is usually pretty clear, and in general regular people throughout the ages have been able to recognize which is which. Our values haven’t changed much, but our systems of power and accountability have.
That said, I also believe a good amount of the right wing backlash against the internment camps was performative. Because up until relatively recently, many racists themselves understood that their beliefs were terrible, so they at least tried to hide their true feelings and spoke out against obvious atrocities like this in public. But that was only so they could be accepted by the wider culture, and so they could continue to participate in left-coded spaces. They don’t need to hide how awful they are anymore because the president is leading by example.
They did, but a frightening percentage of the population were bothered that it didn't go far enough.
Edit: in other words, vastly different reasons why some thought it was a dark spot.
For any election anywhere, approximately 35% are going to be batshit. 61% is super close to "everyone who isn't batshit" category. That's an amazing election number.
If that’s true, sounds like NOW is the time to ACT since we aren’t picking up anyone else. Right?
That fact is going to haunt me in the late hours of the day. I didn't think that the second standard deviation of political views equated to "absolutely batshit insane".
The movement of the Overton Window has caused some significant issues, that's for sure.
It has not. This is the same group of people who were (and still are) young earth creationists 20 years ago. 1/3 of the American population is just completely divorced from reality, and will believe any stupid bullshit an authority figure tells them.
It's sort of the nice way to put dumb, being conned, ignorant, racist and shitty.
I’m really curious what percentage of conservatives fit in each of those buckets. Like 40% ignorant/lazy, 25% conned, 35% racist and shitty. Dunno how you’d find that out though.
Consider that surveys also indicate that 30-40% of the US are essentially “Trump No Matter What” people. Maybe some variation depending on the issue.
So 60% isn’t too far off the mark for people not supporting everything trump does.
E: 48.3% of registered voters voted for Harris. Maybe if that extra ~12% of Americans that are unhappy about Trump had gotten off their asses and voted we might be complaining about a crappy Neo-Liberal instead of a straight up fascist takeover.
Day 100 of not letting it be forgotten that the republicans led a massive, distributed campaign of targeted vote rejection. They spent years getting true believers and laws and rules to support them put into place throughout states and counties, and it bore fruit. There was a disproportionately high number of ballot challenges this last election, and black folks got their ballots tossed a staggering 900% more often than white folks. There's likely a very large number of people who thought they voted in this last election and have no idea that their ballot got tossed. This is the real shit that that dumbfuck starlink conspiracy buried. I'm still in awe that the Kamalampaign just basically shrugged and went "okie dokie! Pack your bags, Katy Perry, party's over!" instead of doing the normal investigations, challenges, etc. Mind you, some of that IS normal, and double checking via the courts is a good thing to do; not like the Trump campaign and its like 300 bullshit ass claims, but more like ten or twelve claims with some actual weight.