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[–] a9249@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago (5 children)

That's treason,.... is it not?

[–] vandermouche@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

For Ukraine yes this treason. But in USA if you an oligarch with a lot of money you can do what you want. I won't be suprise if the republicans will promote to stop the war by not sending ressources to Ukraine. You know, to promote democracy and free world...

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think there’s even a decent case to make this distinction, that Starlink is for communication but not attacking. The problem is making the decision unilaterally, in secret, with no warning, and contrary to customer expectations, with timing that uniquely benefits an enemy of civilization

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Technically, no. But I doubt that Musk will be getting any contracts in Ukraine after the war. Probably ruined any other future business in any of the other countries in a similar situation as Ukraine bordering Russia as well.

[–] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Russia is an enemy aggressor nation. Helping their military and their government without U.S. Congress approval is treason.

[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

He's not ukrainian so I don't see why or how it would be treason.

Just a very shitty move.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

He helped a country we have sanctions against.

[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Are you saying it doesn't meet the definition or he can't be tried for it. I'm assuming you're not a lawyer but this is the definition. Elon's actions=treason. Treason is the crime of attacking a state authority to which one owes allegiance.[1] This typically includes acts such as participating in a war against one's native country, attempting to overthrow its government, spying on its military, its diplomats, or its secret services for a hostile and foreign power, or attempting to kill its head of state. A person who commits treason is known in law as a traitor.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason

[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

If you read the wiki page, you'll find that citation [1] is about Roman and Germanic law, and citation [2] is a dictionary. Neither of which are relevant to this case.

But even if your definition were relevant, Elon Musk did not commit treason because he is not a Ukrainian citizen, and owes no allegiance to them.

Elon Musk has US citizenship. But under US law, this isn't treason either. Treason is defined in the constitution as "levying war against the U.S." not the case here, or "or adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."

You could argue this rises to the level of aid or comfort, but Russia is not an enemy in the eyes of the constitution. They would have to engage in open hostilities for that to be the case. The war in Ukraine is not open hostility against the US.

I'm not a lawyer, but I can do better research than copying the first paragraph from the first searh result.

Treason is a serious crime STOP diminishing that word by misusing it.

[–] meldroc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

The US law Musk violated would be the Logan Act...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act