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[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works -5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We elected a black man president in 2008

Sort of. It's not like we elected James Brown.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Holy fuck. Centrists are so goddamned desperate to run with their "we have to shut out AOC because the US is racist (until she's no longer a threat to our hegemony)" narrative that they're pretending Obama isn't Black.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I remember whites saying he was too black, poc saying he was too white, and leftists saying he's too corporate.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I remember centrists calling Bill Clinton the "first black president." Guess they don't want to give up the title.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 1 day ago

Omg I don't remember that. The real oppression, amirite?! 🤦‍♀️

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not like James Brown is likely to run in 2028, so what's your point?

The reason we have a fascist groundswell in this country is the same reason any country has ever had a fascist groundswell.

  1. Wealth inequality drives populism.
  2. Wealthy liberals shut out left populism.
  3. Right populism benefits and quickly turns fascist.
[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My point is we elected the whitest black guy we could possibly find and even then it took 230 years. We still have a long way to go before we pat ourselves on the back.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When did I suggest back pats?

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We didn't "suddenly get too racist". The US was no more likely to elect a black presenting president in 2008 than we are now. Even one with Obama's gravitas.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly. A minority candidate absolutely can win, as long as they can rally Democratic voters.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 22 hours ago

I hope you're right but I have my doubts.