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[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes Don Jr is right that we should have guns generally, but more because of what his dad's cult is doing.

Don't ever believe that any gun control laws will disarm those guys. It's way too easy to hide guns and ammo, and there are hundreds of millions of them all over the country.

So it's best to have it and not need it, rather than needing it and not having it. Because they are going to have it anyway.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Don’t ever believe that any gun control laws will disarm those guys.

Even if this is true, counterintuitively, gun control laws will still work. We've seen this exact thing in Australia. (Which admittedly is easier to do because it's an island)

What happens is that guns become more rare, and yes, only bad guys and cops have access to guns, however, because guns are rare, it's much harder even for bad guys to get more guns. Guns become much more valuable, and as they're valuable, bad guys will become reluctant to use them unless the reward is great. If you take a $1000 gun to rob $50 from a 7-11, and if you get caught, you're losing $950. You're way better off just using a knife or something, and then you can sell the gun.

So even if only bad guys have guns, guns are still used in fewer crimes. Everybody gets safer, little by little. Eventually, they're only going to use guns for crimes with huge payoffs. And they were going to do that, anyways, even if there weren't gun control laws.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unless having it puts you at higher risk of suicide, in which case maybe don't have it.

[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You’re more likely to injury or kill yourself or family than an intruder, so there’s that too.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's why I'd like a gun collective. They're kept access controlled, and have a range and an ammo loading rig and some cleaning stations and earplugs and stuff. That way not only would I have access to well-maintained guns and ammo in a SHTF scenario, but I'd also have a place to get good without keeping them at home.

[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seems like a great way to try out different kinds too.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I want a hippie version of a Rod & Gun Club. Community garden, shooting range, picnic and camping areas, managed foraging paths.

[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Oregon seems like a place that would exist. I have no evidence whatsoever of it, it just feels right

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

In some places, part of obtaining a firearms license involves being a member of good standing at a range.

Not in America of course, where pinkie promising you know what you're doing and won't leave you gun laying around is good enough.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think you are describing a gun club.

The preppers never made sense to me. The world ends and you want a weapon. For what? To murder someone over the last loaf of bread? In a disaster the best way to get out of it is to team up with other pool, share and trade resources. My life is much more secure if I am surrounded by people who have enough vs people who don't.

What kinda person thinks to themselves "oh the world ends guess I can finally commit all those murders that I wanted to" vs "the world ended let's start planting some crops and depend on shared resources until then"?