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[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

being vegan doesn't help the planet at all.

[–] amzd@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago (11 children)

How does reducing land and water use through your food choice not help the planet?

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

it doesn't actually reduce the use.

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Please don't tell me you're gonna bring up the stupid soy fields in the rain forest argument :'D

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

being vegan doesn't stop soy from being grown in rainforests

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

exactly, because almost 100% of that soy is for meat production

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

85% of global soy is pressed for oil. the vast majority of the soy that's fed to animals is the industrial waste from that process.

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wheree do you get your numbers from?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1254608/soy-production-end-uses-worldwide/

They seem off my guy.

Weird to not provide real numbers for someone calling me a liar

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

https://ourworldindata.org/images/published/Global-soy-production-to-end-use.png

i can't click your paywalled link

here's what the UN's FAO says

oil is 17.2%. since a soybean is only about 20% oil to begin with, you need to crush 85% of all soybeans to get that much oil. do you see how the vast majority of what is fed to animals is called "soy meal" or "soy cake"? that's the industrial waste from processing soybeans to oil.

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Its statista, they limit traffic. Try a different browser.

Btw funny you link OWID, you should read their article. It doesn't mention the feed as a side product of oil production, and I'm having trouble finding your quote.

Even if its 100% true and just not mentioned in any articles on the matter, then I guess large scale veganism still only removes loads of industrial processes/co2 production, unspeakable animal abuse and insane amounts - and i mean ludicrous amounts - of wasted drinking water.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I guess large scale veganism still only removes loads of industrial processes/co2 production, unspeakable animal abuse and insane amounts - and i mean ludicrous amounts - of wasted drinking water.

that has never happened.

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. Thats the problem.

Global consumption and production are increasing

Do. You. Follow?

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago (12 children)

you can make any excuse you want. the fact is that being vegan has not helped the environment at all.

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[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

environmental destruction continues whether you are vegan or not.

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago

also what part of my comment prompted you to post that random response?

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago (14 children)

yep due to the meat industry keeping going regardless of a fairly small demographic quitting their products

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[–] fuzzywolf23@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It takes less land and water to feed someone wheat, soy or corn than to feed them beef, chicken or pork.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

what crops that are fed to beef chicken and pork are parts of plants that people won't eat for the most part. The same fields that grow the soybeans we use for oil are growing soybeans that are used as feed. The same soybeans that are used for oil are used for feed.

[–] fuzzywolf23@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is sometimes true. However, e.g., about 4% of the farmland in California is used for alfafa, which is just for livestock. Alfafa is also a very water intensive crop.

Additionally, there are other uses that livestock corn feed could be put to if there weren't so many damn cows, so it's not like we'd be throwing away megatons of silage if it weren't for cattle.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

it's not like we'd be throwing away megatons of silage if it weren't for cattle.

I don't think there is a better use than making food. I'm fine with that.

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