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Commentary: We face a world potentially running out of antibiotics (www.channelnewsasia.com)

submitted 11 months ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to c/news@beehaw.org

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[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 58 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This has been known and warned for probably decades now.

But still we continue to "preemptively" use it in vast quantities in the meat, milk and egg industry instead of using sustainable or even humane conditions for the animals in question.

Guess who gets to eat antibiotics evey day, increasing likelihood of multi resistant germs?

Meat eaters. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8565197/

Nothing will be done about it until its too late. As is tradition. Profits are more important than world wide disaster. Again.

[–] Hirom@beehaw.org 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Multiple countries need to fix their inadequate regulations to stop aggravating antibiotics resistance, including:

India where there is "Inappropriate use of antibiotics [..] Largely unrestricted over-the-counter sales"
China as you mentioned, need to continue efforts to reduce antibiotics (mis)use.
European countries are collectively the world's biggest importer of food, including farmed animals periodically dosed with antibiotics. A 2022 ban on routine antibiotic use should hopefully avoid worst abuses on antibiotics, including for imports.

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I was also shocked to learn the US have over the counter antiobiotics that people pop for random illness and minor cuts/scrapes. Pretty much unthinkable here (EUN)

[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We absolutely do not have over-the-counter antibiotics, they need a prescription every time

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Besides the topicals OTC that i outlined in here, US friends of mine "keep" their remaining prescription ABs for when they are sick again.

Like he got prescribed some for a COLD and then kept them to pop when he gets the next COLD :'D

Its nuts. Some OTC, others simply overprescribed.

Here you get a prescription if you have a severe infection, OR a substantial injury with high risk.

[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Wait, I'm assuming you're from somewhere in Europe, you don't have topical antibiotics available without prescription?!

I wouldn't argue against antibiotics being overprescribed in America, they definitely are. The tendency is for medicine to be prescribed if a patient sees a doctor. Another crappy consequence of an expensive medical system, people won't be satisfied if they spent hundreds of dollars only to be told to rest and drink lots of fluids.

US friends of mine "keep" their remaining prescription ABs for when they are sick again

This is definitely a thing that morons do over here 😂

[–] millie@beehaw.org 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We definitely don't have that at all.

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, some topical AB are available according to a quick online search

Some topical antibiotics can be purchased as over-the-counter (OTC) medicines.
However, it is always recommended that you consult a medical expert before purchasing and using any medication.
Topical antibiotics are used to treat skin wounds, scrapes, scratches, and minor burns.
They are available in ointment, cream, spray, or powder forms and are used to prevent infection in topical skin ailments.
Some over-the-counter topical antibiotics include: Bacitracin (Neosporin)
Polymyxin (Polysporin)
Neomycin (Neosporin Plus Pain Relief)
Pramoxine
Benzoyl peroxide (Proactiv)

[–] millie@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There's a huge difference between saying 'antibiotics are available OTC' and 'topical antibiotics are available OTC'. One is misleading clickbait nonsense, the other is true.

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago

Thats why i didnt write what you claim i did.

"they have over the counter antiobiotics"

As in antibiotics exist there that are OTC.

Is that so absurd?

[–] Swallowtail@beehaw.org 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Go vegan. It's better for the planet too.

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 5 points 11 months ago

I know, i am vegan for those reasons and more :)

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

being vegan doesn't help the planet at all.

[–] amzd@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago (11 children)

How does reducing land and water use through your food choice not help the planet?

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

it doesn't actually reduce the use.

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Please don't tell me you're gonna bring up the stupid soy fields in the rain forest argument :'D

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (21 children)

being vegan doesn't stop soy from being grown in rainforests

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[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago (16 children)

environmental destruction continues whether you are vegan or not.

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago

also what part of my comment prompted you to post that random response?

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[–] fuzzywolf23@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It takes less land and water to feed someone wheat, soy or corn than to feed them beef, chicken or pork.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

what crops that are fed to beef chicken and pork are parts of plants that people won't eat for the most part. The same fields that grow the soybeans we use for oil are growing soybeans that are used as feed. The same soybeans that are used for oil are used for feed.

[–] fuzzywolf23@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

This is sometimes true. However, e.g., about 4% of the farmland in California is used for alfafa, which is just for livestock. Alfafa is also a very water intensive crop.

Additionally, there are other uses that livestock corn feed could be put to if there weren't so many damn cows, so it's not like we'd be throwing away megatons of silage if it weren't for cattle.

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[+] Colorcodedresistor@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

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[–] BumbleBeeBleep@startrek.website 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Running out" is a bit of a weird title here, it doesn't mean that some deposit is running dry. There are more and more bacteria getting resistant for more and more types of antibiotics, making them no longer effective. Even a bottomless supply of antibiotics is useless if it doesn't actually kill the things it's supposed to kill.

I suppose the "running out" part would mean that there are only so many types of antibiotics, if none of them are effective anymore (or not enough of them are effective enough) we would be in some deep shit.

(being in deep shit may cause a severe risk of bacterial infection, I highly recommend not being in such a situation)

[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So this has been reported for years now. We aren't running out of antibiotics. We are running out of options like you said. The real reason is that doctors would prescribe stronger antibiotics than were needed. Also, people would stop taking the full course because they felt better before then, and lastly, farms give antibiotics to their animals just in case, so any bacteria that would survive any of these is allowed to reproduce and become resistant to antibiotics.

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