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[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Next you'll be telling me I should pronounce the L in island as well!

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 34 points 11 months ago (3 children)

fun fact: the S in island is completely fucking made up, the original spelling was "iland" with "i" being cognate with "ö" in swedish. It basically means island land and the only reason why there's an S in there is because some shithead thought it was related to the french word "isle" and felt that INCORRECT idea warranted changing the spelling.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yep. It is indeed. ~~Same with the K in knight, which was added for no fucking reason.~~ Sweden also has an island called Öland which means island land.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Knight" used to be pronounced with the "K." It was always there, it's not pronouncing it that's new.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Oh yeah I confused it with some other word.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Receipt" is a good example. A silent "P" was shoved in there to make it seem more fancy.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

That's a better one!

[–] seth@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Probably "night," which is also properly pronounced with the leading K sound.

[–] pwalker@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 months ago

I think what you said is slightly wrong. Island and isle are both English words that seem to have no ethymological connection. However close semantic relation of "isle" might have cause the introduction of the "s" at some point. Isle itself probably comes from latin "insula". The French still have only one word "Île". Germans have "Eiland" and "Insel".

island [OE] Despite their similarity, island has no etymological connection with isle (their resemblance is due to a 16th-century change in the spelling of island under the influence of its semantic neighbour isle). Island comes ultimately from a prehistoric Germanic *aujō, which denoted 'land associated with water,' and was distantly related to Latin aqua 'water'. This passed into Old English as īeg 'island,' which was subsequently compounded with land to form īegland 'island'. By the late Middle English period this had developed to iland, the form which was turned into island. (A diminutive form of Old English īeg, incidentally, has given us eyot 'small island in a river' [OE].)

Isle [13] itself comes via Old French ile from Latin insula (the s is a 15th-century reintroduction from Latin). Other contributions made by insula to English include insular [17], insulate [16], insulin, isolate [via Italian) [18], and peninsula [16].

[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can the UN declare that every school needs to replace Island with Iland?

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Like that does anything. 🗞️🐯

[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

If only we submitted ourselves to them

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

i-sand... is-and... isund? iand? Ok, I give up, how are you supposed to pronounce it without the L?

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Now that is the real question.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

etymologically the word is made up of "i" and "land", the "s" was added by some idiot in the 15th century. "i" is cognate with "ö" in swedish which simply means "island", so just pull a power move and drop all the other letters completely.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

Swede caveman sailor 1: What that?

Swede caveman sailor 2: is land

Swede caveman sailor 1: ö

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You're welcome, I've made all of us dumber...

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

In Swedish it would be Penö, so I suggest Peni...s

[–] FarFarAway@startrek.website 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean the L. Like in salmon.

[–] FarFarAway@startrek.website 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You actually pronounce the L in salmon?

Edit...the word actually. But also...my bad.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What if I told you nothing is real

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How the fuck am I supposed to eat soup with all of these bent-ass spoons?!

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Did you mean bent ass-spoons?

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Neo, you must meet The Orifice.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

Then you wouldn't really be saying anything.