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[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 65 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

White house urges developers forget programming languages that necessitate an understanding of computers as machines with limits and tolerances, not simply magic boxes to receive instruction.

[-] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 42 points 4 months ago

Being aware that the gun you're holding naturally tends towards pointing directly at your own foot does not make the existence of the footgun any more tolerable. Even the best developers will fuck up; having your language enforce memory safety is objectively a good thing, and arguments against it come from FUDDs and gatekeepers.

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 48 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

C and assembly should 100% be a part of any formal programming education, and then any actual work should be done with memory-safe languages because we're all the dumbest people alive.

[-] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 28 points 4 months ago

I work in embedded systems (more and more test lately though), historically in aviation (not fucking Boeing lol) and test and measurement instruments. So, critical environments. In those situations, when you're writing bare metal firmware, you never dynamically allocate anything. Everything tends to be accounted for, RAM usage is tightly controlled, there are even points where you're counting clock cycles for efficiency. We even accounted for radiation based bit flip events, which are incredibly uncommon, but we know they exist so they have to be handled.

My point is, this is a valid concern in some spaces, but when you use C in a purely functional way, it's not the loaded gun they portray it as.

[-] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago

I'm aware that it is technically possible to program a microcontroller in rust, but it felt like a lot more work than doing it in C

[-] Helmic@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago

It is also a serious boon to open source projects because it dramatically limits the damage a PR from someone new might accidentally do. Being able to reasonably expect that this fast, low level code won't introduce memory leaks is part of why even end users tend to like Rust projects.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago

So true, this is also the reason I've chosen to rip out seatbelts from my car, since I know I'm just a good driver.

[-] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

JOE BIDEN IS LITERALLY OLDER THAN THE FIRST PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE EVER

[-] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago

Rust necessitates those things through, it just also yells at you when you forget them

[-] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago

6502 assembly gang where u at

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago

every programming language involves a certain level of abstraction that necessitates limitations. You could make the same argument in favor of assembly over a compiled language.

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