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Never mind Russia, I'd be happy with anyone making a "special military operation" on Putin's whereabouts. NATO doesn't have to fight Russia. They only need the head of the snake.
don't think that this will work. Russia is rotten to the core and there is always another head.
we are fighting a hydra not a snake.
Anyway, we should start at the top and work downwards. It's a waste of ammo to kill all the involuntary cannon fodder. If the top goes, Russia would have to reconstruct, however that might turn out.
Balkanization boogaloo?
Yes, I'd take that over the status quo.
Likely not. Everyone who wanted to leave Russia did so in the 1990’s
Middle out
Like tip to tip? No thanks.
A state can't fight like that though. Needs to be a non state actor.
Except Putin's behavior isn't sane even by oligarch standards. Another corrupt leader would just take Putin's place, but they might not be inclined to continue with Ukraine. They could just blame it all on Putin and quietly retreat the military. It's not the best outcome, but at least Ukraine would be safe.
But doing it suddenly will create a power vacuum, which usually gets filled by the most ruthless people
Doesn't Russia have lines of succession?
In theory
“Oops! All Putin!”
In what world would Putin allow anything other that a yes-man be his official backup?
It's not just Putin, and it's not all of Russia. The Kremlin+oligarchs are the problem.
Humanity really needs to figure out how to handle corrupt people in power.
We have. It's just against the ToS on most forums.
Is it that thing that Korea did after the fall of the Dai Nippon Empire? How is that going for them?
Or maybe we could use some Middle East examples, like Iran or Afghanistan? Are those good examples of handling corrupt people in power? South America might have a few examples...?
Yep, can't ever improve anything, world has to suck this much in these ways.
I feel like it sucks a lot less than it used to in most modernized countries, especially European Nations and Canada. Even the USA didn't use to have Medicaid or overtime pay (Fair Labor Standards Act was in 1938), etc. It's just that these improvements weren't caused by things that talking about would put you on a watchlist, they were caused by slow progressive reform and political activism.
No, they were caused by workers fighting the US army with guns in the 20s, and all the industrialized nations of the world failing to stop a bunch of dipshit peasants in the ass backwards frozen nowhere from walking into the palace and painting the walls red, then dispossession g the entire propertied class, and giving a substantial chunk of them the wall.
Why would they give you shit when you beg, if they aren't afraid? Common humanity or some shit? Have you ever read a history book or news story in your life?
Followed immediately by the global Great Depression in the 1930s and both World Wars? I'm not saying correlation equals causation but it sounds like those 1920s dudes accomplished jack shit. Plus, deposing of the ruling class of Russia led to the USSR which... Did not end well...
I'm yelling you, we got anything from the government at gun point. That is the only way.
The USSR was shit for Russians (because the Bolsheviks killed all the communists. No I'm not saying worse than the czar, but there was this government in between...), but for everyone else, it was a godsend.
We did, we must get murdered by shitty people in power when we say it too loud.
Short version: don't have these huge power differentials.
Oh we know how, it's just not pretty.
Lol, okay, that's my fault. When I wrote that I was thinking in a non-violent sort of way, legislatively/investigatively. A system of governance that would prevent somebody from warping the system and becoming all powerful and above the system.
The problem with what your advocating is it doesn't solve the problem, it just punts the ball down the field, and then sooner or later the same scenario problem comes back again.
Well, you could say that with nearly any solution besides peace... which is hard to maintain too. So, pick your poison.
I blame the French Revolution for giving these romantic notions. On the surface, it looks like people overthrowing the rich. But when you read into what followed, it was a violent power struggle where yesterday's new leader was next up at the guillotine tomorrow.
And what came of it in the end? Napoleon, another powerful centralized ruler.
While this is true, I think it's more likely than not that a successor doesn't share the same amount of Soviet fetishism. Putin is kinda out there and doing things that aren't great for Russian business. You only have to be slightly less mad than Putin to realize that.
But not the same shitty, abd since they're not Putin, they can disown this whole shit show and shut it down without looking weak.
So let the other heads see what happens when you fuck around too much.
Like many things political, you start doing outside political killings from another country, pretty soon you can find yourself dead as a political leader. It's playground tit-for-tat rules.
Plus, unless you are prepared for a "You break it, you buy it" situation, can and always will get something worse. See: the Middle East at this moment in time.
So the actual people need to be the ones to do this.
It really would be better for future stability if the people of Moscow did it anyway.
Or pretty much any point in time in the last several decades.
That's why none of them will do it.
There is no way to convince me that the CIA, MI6, and/or Beijing couldn’t take him out if they wanted him gone, which makes me wonder why they wouldn’t, I guess World War III but it’s not like that’s not already a possibility
There isn't a replacement in place for Putin that would be any different. Everyone that thinks and acts different is kept away from power in Russia. Pushed out of windows, deaths in prison or the aircraft falls out of the sky. There is a possibility that he is replaced by someone worse.
It's much better if he is removed from power by Russians. The next leader has to be different and havs the support of the people. Intelligence services taking him out won't achieve this. Your likely to get an extremists that tries to escalate the war in Ukraine.
That remains true as long as he doesn’t start a nuclear exchange. If he starts really leaning in that direction I would expect a change in calculus
The CIA attempted to assassinate castro between 8 and 634 times
Different world between then and now, any claim of an attempt after the fall of the USSR is as sus as an Alabama national championship prior to 2000. Also I meant as mostly coordinated effort
Yes but he was a communist, not an oligarch, and by most accounts a pretty okay dude. So killing him was okay.
Because then Russia will try to assasinate US leaders
And that would be... Bad?
Presumably for like reasons or something?
Aside from the instability and resource pit this would cause, if you were making these decisions and you were to be the target of the retaliatory assasinations you can see why it would not be in your best interest to go down that path.
Yeah I see why they wouldn't do it, but I don't hate the idea. I could see a politicians name in the news, and feel some glimmer of hope.
I'm mostly pointing out (maybe elsewhere in this convo) that millions are dying to make some octogenarian kleptocrat shit heads whose raison fucking d'etre is grinding the young into a bloody paste by the millions to no tangible benefit.
Yeah I feel you
Yea they even got OBL murdered when they wanted. It seems that they just don't want Putin gone for now, profits or "escalation" as a reason.
Nah. These are all state actors. They don't want to break the taboo on assassinating world leaders when they do atrocities, because they may want to do atrocities later.
So millions of poor fuckers die in the mud.