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Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending Sunday 19 May 2024 (awful.systems)

submitted 4 months ago by dgerard@awful.systems to c/techtakes@awful.systems

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Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid!

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post, there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] self@awful.systems 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

oh Shea’s Zulip posts are a fucking trip too. it’s yet another straight up tantrum from the same kind of folks who think you shouldn’t get banned if you tell every moderator to go fuck themselves, personally, during a phone call

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

they absolutely are

loved this LWN subthread where another of these guys makes vague accusations, replies look at his actual posts and say yeah you should have been kicked out

and this one where yet another poster laments needless politicisation and the immediate responses are "oh it's you" and receipts

[–] self@awful.systems 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

And actually just a bit further, there are not far right people in tech, because there are basically no right wingers in tech, so the one who is delusional is you

ahahaha you know this whole “I don’t see any problems in the Nix community other than these woke fuckers starting drama” shit would be so much more effective if the folks saying that could stop themselves from following it up with the most obviously fash shit I’ve ever seen

also it’s kind of amazing how fast that second poster got recognized and called out. a whole bunch of way too high profile fash and neoreactionary tech weirdos tried to make nix their hill to die on (and were probably encouraged by the lack of tech media coverage of what’s going on, allowing them room to control the conversation), but they’re pretty consistently getting told to shut the fuck up by people who’ve had the audacity to read their previous posts and know exactly who they’re dealing with.

this is the kind of response that makes me optimistic that we can achieve less toxic open source communities as a new norm, one day. Lix seems to be doing it right; Aux unfortunately seems to be absolute chaos, but its heart is in the right place.

e: and of course, the new Nix governance structures getting this kind of negative, effortful response from the worst parts of the community is making me optimistic it’s going to work, in a way that the announcement and Zulip frankly haven’t yet. an outspokenly antifascist nixpkgs combined with Lix would give the fash parts of the nix community effectively nowhere left to go, especially if Nix or Aux does the remainder of the work left to make Lix the evaluator NixOS’s tooling calls into.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

i wonder how long before the antiwoke fork

[–] self@awful.systems 8 points 4 months ago

finally, an operating system worthy of all your favorite urbit services

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

made me wonder if devuan is still a thing and holy shit it is

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What's the backstory with Devuan? I first heard of it from someone licking Andrew Lee's boots after the Freenode debacle, and that instantly branded it as really suspect. But it might just be Debian minus systemd?

[–] earthquake@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

In 2015 Debian officially dropped the requirement that packages support sysvinit scripts and only required systemd support. Devuan is indeed intended to be a fork that only removes systemd and maintains support for other inits like sysvinit, openrc, runit, etc.

Last time I looked (and it has been a while) the anti-systemd origin story had attracted a few nutters, but I didn't see anything suspicious about the dev team itself...

EDIT: I see a couple connections to cryptocoin crap, but no smoking gun yet. Still digging.

EDIT2: wtf am I looking at: https://dyne.org/software/dynebolic/ strange vibes all over this.

EDIT3: Seems like the cryptocoiner, Set Hallström AKA Setto Sakrecoer, is the main dev/organizer of devuan? The structure of devuan and dyne.org does not seem to be set out, instead it's an informal "do-ocracy" with a whole mess of normal and weird projects in a loose constellation.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

there are not far right people in tech, because there are basically no right wingers in tech

There are no rws in tech because there are no rws in tech, qed

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 4 months ago

Look by my definition you can only be a RW if you voted for the republicans in the past 5 elections, and there are not many of those, so he is right!

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 4 months ago

The guys should just have been banned for writing posts that take hours to read that the mods then have to read and respond to.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 6 points 4 months ago

Yeah milesrout made a fool of themselves on lobste.rs and got banned.