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they absolutely are
loved this LWN subthread where another of these guys makes vague accusations, replies look at his actual posts and say yeah you should have been kicked out
and this one where yet another poster laments needless politicisation and the immediate responses are "oh it's you" and receipts
ahahaha you know this whole “I don’t see any problems in the Nix community other than these woke fuckers starting drama” shit would be so much more effective if the folks saying that could stop themselves from following it up with the most obviously fash shit I’ve ever seen
also it’s kind of amazing how fast that second poster got recognized and called out. a whole bunch of way too high profile fash and neoreactionary tech weirdos tried to make nix their hill to die on (and were probably encouraged by the lack of tech media coverage of what’s going on, allowing them room to control the conversation), but they’re pretty consistently getting told to shut the fuck up by people who’ve had the audacity to read their previous posts and know exactly who they’re dealing with.
this is the kind of response that makes me optimistic that we can achieve less toxic open source communities as a new norm, one day. Lix seems to be doing it right; Aux unfortunately seems to be absolute chaos, but its heart is in the right place.
e: and of course, the new Nix governance structures getting this kind of negative, effortful response from the worst parts of the community is making me optimistic it’s going to work, in a way that the announcement and Zulip frankly haven’t yet. an outspokenly antifascist nixpkgs combined with Lix would give the fash parts of the nix community effectively nowhere left to go, especially if Nix or Aux does the remainder of the work left to make Lix the evaluator NixOS’s tooling calls into.
i wonder how long before the antiwoke fork
finally, an operating system worthy of all your favorite urbit services
made me wonder if devuan is still a thing and holy shit it is
What's the backstory with Devuan? I first heard of it from someone licking Andrew Lee's boots after the Freenode debacle, and that instantly branded it as really suspect. But it might just be Debian minus systemd?
In 2015 Debian officially dropped the requirement that packages support sysvinit scripts and only required systemd support. Devuan is indeed intended to be a fork that only removes systemd and maintains support for other inits like sysvinit, openrc, runit, etc.
Last time I looked (and it has been a while) the anti-systemd origin story had attracted a few nutters, but I didn't see anything suspicious about the dev team itself...
EDIT: I see a couple connections to cryptocoin crap, but no smoking gun yet. Still digging.
EDIT2: wtf am I looking at: https://dyne.org/software/dynebolic/ strange vibes all over this.
EDIT3: Seems like the cryptocoiner, Set Hallström AKA Setto Sakrecoer, is the main dev/organizer of devuan? The structure of devuan and dyne.org does not seem to be set out, instead it's an informal "do-ocracy" with a whole mess of normal and weird projects in a loose constellation.
There are no rws in tech because there are no rws in tech, qed
Look by my definition you can only be a RW if you voted for the republicans in the past 5 elections, and there are not many of those, so he is right!
Yeah milesrout made a fool of themselves on lobste.rs and got banned.
The guys should just have been banned for writing posts that take hours to read that the mods then have to read and respond to.