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[–] sxan@midwest.social 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

You are right, but many Americans probably wouldn't get it if you used Stalin. For better or worse, Hitler is the face of fascism; Stalin the face of communism. They were both fascists, as were Mussolini, and Stalin.

It's just short-hand imagery; everybody knows what you mean. Pinochet was a fascist dictator, but he was also a brutal sociopath, so he's confusing, even if people recognized him.

[–] Dreizehn@kbin.social 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Please add Spain's dictator, Francisco Franco. That bastard allowed Mussolini and Hitler to test their military during Spanish Civil War.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I could never make a comprehensive list; fascism has been all-too common.

Well, I probably could make a comprehensive list, but I'm not. But Franco was another prominent one, so that was a good catch.

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Stalin was a totalitarian not a fascist. You can have authoritarian regimes without fascism. Stalin actively fought fascists, was the main reason we won D-Day. He was also a brutal vicious cruel man who ruled his inner circle through fear and paranoia.

[–] sxan@midwest.social -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

fascism

  1. A political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)
  2. Extreme right-wing, authoritarian, intolerant, racist or nationalistic views or behavior

How do neither of these apply to Stalin? Note the "or" in the second definition. The "Nazi" party was the "National Socialist" party. You have to look at the actions, not just the labels, right? Stalin was authoritarian, intolerant, and nationalistic. He created an authoritarian hierarchical government.

Stalin fits both definitions of Fascism. It doesn't matter that he was at war with other fascists; monarchies had for millennia fought other monarchies - it didn't make them not-monarchies.

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Because Stalin was a Soviet Dictator. Fascism had a direct capitalist economic component that you're completely ignoring.

This might be of interest for your further research

https://www.britannica.com/topic/totalitarianism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

And also

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and/or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[2][3]

[–] sxan@midwest.social -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm only ignoring it because what you're saying isn't in the dictionary definition of "fascism," and I'm not a political theorist. I'm just going by what the good book says.

belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and/or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy

What about Stalin makes you think he demonstrated any of this?

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

"belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and/or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy" Is a direct quote from the link on Fascism,

I don't believe Stalin demonstrated any of that through policy.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Fascism is strictly a right wing ideology

[–] Eol@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago

Thanks for the reasonable response!