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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well, millennials voted for Obama because he genuinely inspired hope. Then we saw how he governed and it killed our entire generation's sense of hope.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Then you saw Biden being a better president than Obama because he was more experienced. Maybe the answer here is to pay more attention to what a politician does than what he says

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

LOL, if that were answer, then Biden would be judged on the anti-drug legislation he spearheaded in '84, '86, and '88 that gave us expanded sentences for possession, civil asset forfeiture, and the racist sentencing disparity between crack and powdered cocaine. He'd also be judged on the 1994 crime bill he co-authored that led to the largest increase in mass incarceration in 40 years. Oh, and let's not forget the time he teamed up with Robert Byrd, a Senator and Klansman, to pass anti-bussing legislation. Point is, Biden has benefited a lot from people listening to what he says and forgetting what he's done.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Biden has benefited a lot from people listening to what he says and forgetting what he’s done.

You mean forgetting that Biden has the lowest unemployment rate since the 1960's? Forgetting that he raised the minimum tax rate on corporations from 0% to 15%? Forgetting that that every few days there is a record stock market high? That nobody could have handled Covid or Ukraine better?

Biden is the victim of a lot of people forgetting what he's done.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't think you understand my point. You made a comment about how I should judge politicians on their actions, not their words. So I pointed out that Biden's actions before his election included anti-bussing legislation, several racist drug bills, and the worst expansion of the prison-industrial complex in history. I'm glad you're happy with Biden's performance as President, but you clearly ignored a lot of what he did as a Senator and listened to what he said as a presidential candidate (or you really like racist drug policies and mass incarceration).

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I couldn't care less what Biden did in the 1970's. It is ridiculous to call him "racist", as he was the running mate of the first black president.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Your original comment:

Maybe the answer here is to pay more attention to what a politician does than what he says.

Your current comment:

I couldn't care less what Biden did in the 1970's.

Maybe the answer here is to not leave condescending replies to other people's comments if you're just going to completely contradict yourself and negate your own point.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Dude what a politicians does NOW matters a hell of a lot more than what they did 50 years ago lol.

and negate your own point.

And Biden being the VP of the first black president 100% negates him being against forced busing in the 1970's. And everybody was against force busing in the 1970's. It was a stupid policy then.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Dude what a politicians does NOW matters

Do you understand how insanely incoherent what you're saying is? You're saying that my mistake in voting for Obama was that I listened to what he said instead of paying attention to what he did. But I should only pay attention to what a politician doing NOW, not what they've done in the past. So I shouldn't just listen to what they say they'll do in the future, but I can't judge them based on what they've done in the past...so how am I supposed to pick a candidate? Use psychic powers to know what they're going to do in the future?!?!?!

Like, I could keep arguing about Biden; you're ignoring 20 additional years of racist legislation I brought up, and I didn't even get to his support for the Iraq War...but I don't even care about that. Explain how the hell your philosophy of ignoring what a candidate says and watching what they do while ignoring what they've done makes any kind of sense.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But I should only pay attention to what a politician doing NOW, not what they’ve done in the past.

Yes. Now as in current term of office. Not 50 years ago. Biden's rejected of forced busing 50 years ago does not have the slightest relevance to anything he does as president. Do you not understand how much political climates change in a huge way over 1/2 of a century?

and I didn’t even get to his support for the Iraq War

You mean when Biden was one of the very few senators who voted against the first Iraq was in 1993?

but I can’t judge them based on what they’ve done in the past

If you are complaining about something Biden did in the 1970's, it's just because you are on some ridiculous anti-Biden kick. Everybody knows it doesn't have the slightest relevance to his presidential terms.

Explain how the hell your philosophy of ignoring what a candidate says and watching what they do while ignoring what they’ve done makes any kind of sense.

Watch what Biden has done as president. He's been the most progressive president since FDR. Pretty simple.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

OK, you're very clearly just avoiding all the things I say that you don't want to hear, and honestly, this feels like I'm just punching down now, so I'm just gonna stop. Good luck buddy.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

OK, you're very clearly just avoiding that I said Biden was the most progressive president of the last 50 years, and not the most progressive senator. Good luck guy.