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[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 88 points 4 months ago (39 children)

What a terrible article. The solution is throwing more subsidies? Of course it's not! The solution is making it illegal to own more than a few properties. It really is that easy.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Why is the for profit house building industry involved in solving the problem they had a hand in making?

Reform the CPA and just build ourselves. Or use the army core of engineers. They are getting paid either way.

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Non-profit / below market housing is crucial. Without it, the people who actually keep cities functioning and interesting, service workers, artists, etc get pushed out.

I have a career that enables me to pay a lot of money for housing but I don't want to live in a neighbourhood that only consists of people like me, cause I'm boring as fuck. I also don't want to be part of the reason those people get displaced.

More social housing now!

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Don't be stupid. How else an I going to make money by doing nothing? Get a job? That's for people who don't pull themselves up by their bootstraps!

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I pulled myself up by my parents bootstraps.

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

See, this guy's knows how to make money, unlike the rest of you pleps...

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Raise property taxes 500% for property that is not registered as the owners primary residence.

That should do it

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The solution is to build more housing where people want to live.

Don't get suckered into their blame game. This just results in everybody pointing fingers while the prices continue to soar.

Prices only go up because there's competition to buy them.

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 5 points 4 months ago

Tax and other policies encourage the parasitic behavior.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

I feel that you missed one basic aspect of economics. Competition is one reason prices might go up. There are other reasons, which are relevant here. Monopolies, collusion, price fixing, goods that people can't live without, speculation, those are also reasons that prices go up.

In the housing market, it's not fair, it's not free, this isn't a basic supply and demand situation.

[–] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm down with anything. The point is that your rent is not high because Bob has two houses. It's because the real estate speculators own five thousand.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Bob should be paying 200% property tax on the 2nd house

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Bob is not the enemy, Bob is a lucky retiree.

Berkshire Hathaway and their 500k rental properties, are the enemy.

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Both/neither of them are the enemy. The enemy is the system that allows anyone to profit off owning homes.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, everyone doesnt want to own housing all rhe time (say you study somewhere for a year for example, you might want to rent. Or when you try out anew city) so some landlording is needed. We don't need landlords having lots of homes though.

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Landlording should never be done for profit. Socialize the fuck out of it. My water, electricity and healthcare is socialized, why do parasites profit off my home?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Profit, profit, I'd say reasonable profit and mandatory standards.

For example, when I lived in sweden I knew a landlord, he was stopping because you beeded around 50 appartments (might be inflated from his side, but in many countries you can live off of 2 so ...) to make a decent salary.

In sweden you cant rent out a shitty appartment, you cant set the rent as you like it, and youre taxed etc. etc.

I mean it should be like a normal job, not granting you robber rights.

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The solution is making it illegal to own more than a few properties

This problem does not have a single solution. Get rid of landlords and you're still left with a large group of people fighting over a limited supply. Better zoning laws, removal of parking minimums, better transit + micro-mobility infrastructure, and more below market not-for-profit housing.

It's not a simple problem, even if the motives that created the problem are.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

I think we agree, with the caveat that you need to be careful when stating a position like yours, because it's often used as an excuse to do nothing at all.

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