People who support capitalism are liberals. Republicans and Democrats are both libs and it says a lot about American politics that people consider them different at all.

[–] morphballganon@mtgzone.com -5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

The future Turnip would bring about is nothing like the future self-proclaimed liberals want.

[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 11 months ago

turnip is a lib and so is the coconut lady and so are 99% of people in the country. Be real

[–] casskaydee@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You are aware he literally had already been president and governed like a slightly less conservative version of Biden, yes?

[+] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

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[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

sold presidential pardons at $2m apiece, ordered the theft of medical supplies from hospitals during a pandemic

I don't see how this is conservative>

On the other hand.

Biden border policy more stricter than Trump, according to Cato

During the Trump administration, DHS made 1.4 million arrests—what it calls “encounters”—in fiscal years 2019 and 2020 (24 months). Of those people arrested, only 47 percent were removed as of December 31, 2021, which includes people arrested by Trump and removed by Biden, and 52 percent were released into the United States.

Under Biden, DHS made over 5 million arrests in its first 26.3 months, and it removed nearly 2.6 million—51 percent—while releasing only 49 percent. In other words, the Trump DHS removed a minority of those arrested while the Biden DHS removed a majority. Biden managed to increase the removal share while also increasing the total removals by a factor of 3.5.

And when it comes to natural gas policy,

The United States is set to produce a global record of 13.3 million barrels per day of crude and condensate during the fourth quarter of this year, according to a report published Tuesday by S&P Global Commodity Insights.

Last month, weekly US oil production hit 13.2 million barrels per day, according to the US Energy Information Administration. That’s just above the Donald Trump-era record of 13.1 million set in early 2020 just before the Covid-19 crisis sent output and prices crashing.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You delivered facts as asked. So now let's play a game! Will they move the goalposts, say these facts don't count, or disappear never to respond again! Place your bets now!

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

They've done the latter, prbly...

[–] CocteauChameleons@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C. It was founded in 1977 by Ed Crane, Murray Rothbard, and Charles Koch,[5] chairman of the board and chief executive officer of Koch Industries.🤔

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Yes, I do see the irony of it... after all, they're only pro-immigration, merely when it comes to capital's movement of labor

That being said, I'd rather ye dispute the data...

[–] CocteauChameleons@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Decided to still look into it even though theres been more arrests, more migrants have been released. And in during Trumps last year the returns were at there highest

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/breaking-down-the-immigration-figures/

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Huh, which data catches thy eye?

[–] CocteauChameleons@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I reread through it and I am wrong. Or I should just say I didnt read the whole thing the first time

[–] CocteauChameleons@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago

I wasn’t debating this just pointing it out. Dont feel like reading

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Not all liberals are the same, man

Some support the monarchy (eg. UK), some had them beheaded (eg. France)

In this case, Trump represents the "small" business, or petit bourgeois folks, but more importantly, the more 'dirty'-large capitalists like the oil-funded Koch brothers, who are more clearly connected to capitalist exploitation, both in the Global North and South

In a sense, they are propretarians and thus more closer to the dream/nightmare of classical liberalism come true

On the other, Biden/Kamala Harris represents labor aristocrats and professional manager classes (specialized stewards of capital), but more importantly, the more formal and neat looking large capitalists like Bill Gates or Mark Cuban, who finance and lend money behind closed doors capitalist exploitation, both in the Global North and South

In a sense, they are neoliberals with a barely-veiled socdem face

[–] StalinStan@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ehh, I doubt they would care enough to know to be displeased