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[–] TraumaDumpling@hexbear.net 42 points 6 months ago (1 children)

they were the same people a lot of the time, people think of samurai like these super honorable lawful almost religious guys but that was made up after samurai were irrelevant (kinda like europeans and knights), back in the day, if you weren't willing to cheat, lie, steal, murder, etc. for your Daimyo, you weren't really loyal at all - many 'ninja' were simply samurai or their men concealing their identity, or were otherwise specialist mercenaries hired by samurai/feudal lords in secret. in some eras and places Samurai would even test new blades by hiding near a road and sneaking up and killing peasants at night, a good sword was supposed to kill in 1 clean cut - sounds very much like Ninja behavior to me.

they were basically the same as european knights, bloodthirsty warlords working for the local barons, and they would absolutely use stealth or subterfuge to accomplish their lord's will, because they were more or less intelligent rational people trying to accomplish material goals, not cartoon zealot idealists obsessed with 'honor' and 'purity' - the only 'honor' is serving your lord, the only 'purity' is in unwavering loyalty.

[–] Vampire@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

That's pretty interesting

[–] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 42 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Samurai: feudal landlords

Ninjas: basically just peasants.

Gotta go with the working peoples.

[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 29 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, protracted people's war by ninjas

[–] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

Don't you mean:

FUCK YEAH! PROTRACTED PEOPLE'S WAR BY NINJAS!

Remember, the Satsuma rebellion was a class struggle between the industrialist progressive forces versus the landlording reaction....

[–] AutomatedPossum@hexbear.net 27 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

It ain't called a don't-hickey I tell you hwhut.

[–] CommunistBear@hexbear.net 26 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You get to choose between Big Mom and Kaido, Luffy's just not electable sweaty.

[–] Red_sun_in_the_sky@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago

Vote big no matter who

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 25 points 6 months ago

Samurais are always going to be feudal landlords. Ninjas are a lot more like guerillas.

There's no chance of a samurai bring a comrade while a ninja could be.

[–] newmou@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If I remember right, originally ninjas had like their own specific clan that rich people from other clans would hire to basically do a hit on their competitors/enemies/rivals. Taking money from rich people to kill other rich people ain’t too bad of work

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago

That must be why some of the OG Bolsheviks robbed banks. No need to be hired by the rich to kill the rich. Just steal their money and kill the rich.

soviet-hmm cut out the middle man?

big-honk YES.

[–] Mickmacduffin@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago

Gotta go with ninjas. There could be one hiding in your room right now

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago (2 children)

A ninja was the main character of probably the most famous Marxist manga ever, so I think the choice is obvious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamui_(1964_manga)

[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

I gotta read this wtf ty

[–] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This looks cool, but where do you read it? I couldn't find any English translations on nyaa.si

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There is no English translation, official or fan made sadness

I did find out today there's apparently going to be an official English release this year bloomer

[–] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oh that's great, I will look forward to reading it once it's released!

[–] AernaLingus@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

More info here--it's scheduled to come out January 14, 2025, so not too far off!

[–] Blep@hexbear.net 15 points 6 months ago

Ninjas are aesthetically cooler

[–] macabrett@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

if you don't VOTE for ninjas, you'll never get to vote again

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

Probably ninjas

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

Something something Iga Soukoku Ikki

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago
[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

Ninjas easily

[–] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

Resist the duopoly the-democrat the-republican Join the only viable peasant party, the Ikkō-ikki! you-are-a-serf

[–] Ildsaye@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago

Historical ninja kind of spanned the class spectrum, as I understand it. Some were samurai, some were mercenary clans that had regular dealings with samurai, and some were people who lived in autonomous mountain enclaves that were too remote and defensible by the locals for the lords to claim them at the time

Also, the word 'ninja' wasn't contemporary, it was appended after the fact. The common thread with the people and groups who received the label was that they were believed to have used relatively covert and trickster-y methods. There may be an element of internalized orientalism and noble savage mythmaking in the mix, as many popular conventions of the ninja archetype were codified in a pop-culture ninja boom in the 1960s, directly in the wake of the US occupation.