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Now that the old Hexbear fork has been officially abandoned, this community will be used as a space for meta-discussion on the site itself.

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[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 80 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Thank you to the voters that said the dbzer0 posters are cool, though someone said something like "I never noticibly noticed any user from that comm" and I feel personally affronted

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 52 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I noticed you comrade, and for what it's worth I was fully hesitation-2 when I cast my vote to defederate on principle. We would have welcomed you and the other cool folks with open arms if you decided to make a hex account but it looks like that is unnecessary.

That said, I did change my vote because I agree staying federated while banning db0 and Unruffled is the funniest option.

[–] tocopherol@hexbear.net 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

stalin-heart I actually did make one just in case haha, and for the emojis mostly. I just find it so odd when they say on other instances that hexbearites are all mean bullies, seriously y'all are great. And the funniest!

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I just upvoted myself take that tankies

Edit: oh god I'm gonna get banned for self doxxing now

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

No but if you ever fuck up on one of those accounts the other gets banned for ban evasion. But you would never cross the party line right comrade? (I am an anarchist I just larp as a staunch NKVD officer for moderation purposes.)

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[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

We are only mean bullies if you fuckin deserve to be shoved into a locker.

[–] DyingOfDeBordom@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I noticed you and thought it was weird someone from hexbear made an account on a different instance

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[–] player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 70 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I came over here when /r/piracy moved and at first I was confused by hexbear. Over time I've come to embrace the ideas and movement and I appreciate the discussions on here. Sorry if I've frustrated any of you over the past year, I've really had a shift in perspective coming from a ballot box liberal background.

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 52 points 6 months ago

I’ve been totally uninvolved, but it appears the mods, rather than the users, have been the most inflammatory. We welcome all good-faith users, such as yourself heart-sickle

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 36 points 6 months ago

Hell yeah dude. We all gotta start somewhere.

left-unity-3

[–] davel@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago

coming from a ballot box liberal background.

That’s where the vast majority of us came from. Really where else could most of us have come from? East Germany? The Moon?

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

that's how I found the chapo sub back in the day

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

I think I said something vaguely socialist and someone said "go back to chapo" and I was like "what the fuck is a chapo"

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 56 points 6 months ago (1 children)

nineteeneightyfour wow I guess you found enough wrongthink to ban them, huh?

[–] Antisocial_Socialist@hexbear.net 59 points 6 months ago (3 children)

We draw the line at DM harassment of any kind. Calling a moderator a "hypocritical PoS" in DMs for banning them for outright reactionary behavior necessitates a site wide ban.

It would be hypocritical to do otherwise.

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 51 points 6 months ago

So much for the tolerant left smuglord

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 43 points 6 months ago

I'm just yanking your chain, fuck them.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They still don't understand how that's an issue

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[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It looks like we won't be

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divided by a zero.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 18 points 6 months ago (3 children)

That would make you infinite tho.

[–] booty@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago (2 children)

No. You can't divide by zero and get infinity. x / 0 = NaN, it can't be defined, dividing by zero is impossible.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 6 months ago (5 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero

Probs skim a wiki page before trying to correct someone :) conventions are just conventions. All maths is arbitrary (e.g. n^0 being defined as 1 is so nice patterns around power addition and such hold at 0 but "n times n zero times" is sort of a nonsense question if the operation is taken at it's most naive and direct interpretation)

Also not a number isn't a mathematical construct, it's a value computer software returns to handle edge cases in a predictable fashion.

[–] KnilAdlez@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago (12 children)

I now vote for defederation due to this pedantic response. Division by zero is undefined under the rational number set which is what pretty much anyone on earth will think of. It does not reach the same value as you take the limit from either side. It's not a convention it is an axiom. Math is not arbitrary, it must all be proven n^0=1 is not a convention, it is proven in many different ways.

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[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago (5 children)

division is not defined for 0. it can yield multiple values, any value at all, explode to infinity, etc.. but even that statement depends on taking a limit because you can't actually divide by zero. you break basic algebraic laws if you try to include it. it's such a essential fact of algebra that you only name an element of a ring 0 if it's the additive identity and always multiplies to zero. when you extend such a set to a field, you define a division operation as multiplication by the multiplicative inverse except for the additive identity because such an operation is never well-defined.

your Wikipedia link is discussing limits. limits are only well-defined when you can prove that every step of the limiting process is well-defined and the overall sequence converges absolutely. if I just write 5/0, there's no sequence - you can't say the limit diverges to infinity or resolves to a specific number because there is no limiting sequence to begin with. you need a function like sin(x)/x to produce a limit such that you know for certain that 0/0 in this very particular case is 0 (ie the discontinuity at 0 is removable).

if you're interested in this, you're looking for ring theory. a lot of textbooks will give you the basis to prove that division by zero produces inconsistent results for any field - this is why it's one of the field axioms.

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[–] hexthismess@hexbear.net 46 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Good, the db0 mod and admin can stay banned while we still can interact with the users.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Definitely the funniest option and one of the greatest collaborative bits of all time. It seems like even the dbzer0 users hate db0 the admin.

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[–] SadSadSatellite@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Glad to hear it. I may have made an ass of myself on here a few times, but a few patient hexbears showed me what I needed to get it. If you defederated, I'd have to make an account and convince the mods I know better now.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Almost everyone here was a cringe liberal at some point in the lives. Most of us (myself included) only found the light around the time of Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn elections.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

Not me. I had "the talk" about cops when I was like 5 years old lol.

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 29 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

wow so authoritarian that you'd respect a vote smdh redfash tankies

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 28 points 6 months ago

michael-laugh masterful bit

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago

Oh kewl awesome

[–] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago
[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)
[–] Antisocial_Socialist@hexbear.net 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I believe it was something like 117 to remain federated vs like ~40 to defederate. I would have to recount but it was overwhelmingly in favor of staying federated.

I also agree with the other users here that the funniest and probably most productive option is leaving their admins banned while staying federated and letting them make the next move is the best and funniest option.

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[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago
[–] Packet@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago
[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (17 children)

Man i had no idea there was gonna be a vote like this today. I was just talking bout the 'bear over there too. Pardon me for being out of the loop but what happened? Mods from hexbear kicked up a fuss? From db0? Can someone point me to the drama?

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 33 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

Mods from db0 got pissy because someone posted about their post being removed for being "tankie adjacent" whatever the fuck that means. Then db0 himself came in and threw a lil tantrum about it and got himself banned from the dunk tank. Then db0 decided to start harassing a mod in dm's and got himself site banned, which raised the question: Should we remain federated with an instance whose admins are banned. The consensus was to remain federated but keep their admins banned because that is the funniest option.

@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com Feel free to correct me here if I got any of this wrong.

Oh wait you can't you're fuckin banned loser lmao.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago

Oh wait you can't

walter-yell

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

fuckin gotem lmao

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[–] jack@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

The right move

[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

electoralism fails again smh

Death to America

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