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[–] smokin_shinobi@lemmy.world 125 points 6 months ago (52 children)

It’s genocide dickhead. Can’t believe I still have to vote for this mother fucker.

[–] TheEntity@lemmy.world 55 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I appreciate you still voting though, mate. The alternative is far worse and that's terrifying that our alternative to supporting a literal genocide is even worse.

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 30 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

It's also not just voting against Trump.

Biden on climate is an A student. The inflation reduction act, according to basically every climate wonk, gives us a real chance at achieving necessary goals both under its regime and thanks to further future legislation it certainly unlocks. Things are looking less bad right now than they have for a long time in spite of all the worsening indicators. And it's written with intense virtuous cycles built-in that will make it VERY sticky policy once it builds up a couple of years worth of inertia. The fact that he got it past an overtly hostile senate that had at least 51 anti-science, anti-climate, fossil fuel shills turning up to vote is nothing short of a policy miracle.

Trump, on the other hand, has vowed to reverse everything that could still be reversed about the IRA (a frustratingly large amount, unfortunately, could still be undone by executive fiat thanks to its still-developing political base). He's vowed to double down on every kind of fossil fuel subsidy. He's vowed to restore coal power even though it's horrible for everyone involved and the most expensive kind of energy production. He's vowed to fight windmills just because he doesn't like their aesthetics -- literal quixotic shit.

I won't defend Biden on Israel for even one millisecond. His position is heinous. It's evil. And if he loses in November, it will almost certainly be the reason why and he'll deserve it. But it will probably also spell actual global war and apocalypse fueled by climate within all of our lifetimes. It may sound dramatic, but a Trump win will bring us from feast to famine and may spell the actual end of our civilization.

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Lol, Biden is not an A student for climate.

Regardless of who's in charge, we are still on track for environmental disaster unless we completely get rid of infinite growth capitalism. Joe Biden sure as heck isn't going to do that.

I'm sick and tired of moderates thinking that our planet being uninhabitable is some sort of worthy compromise for the ownership class.

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[–] Broken_Monitor@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

God they all just fucking suck so much. Do you want the turd sandwich or the talking douche?

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[–] AnAnonymous@lemm.ee 74 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Biden's worst enemy is not Trump, it is Biden himself.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 59 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I'm gonna vote for this absolute braindead motherfucker and it fucking sucks.

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 30 points 6 months ago

"They're really gonna make me vote for Joe Biden..."

-Bo Burnham

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kORYg4zTcoY

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 13 points 6 months ago

Hahaha the visceral reaction I have in my stomach every time I think about that is just.... So fun.

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[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 52 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You know Joe has a point when the only thing he and his administration is able to come up with in response to the allegations is “it’s not genocide”.

According to the United Nations, genocide is an internationally recognized crime that involves an act with the intent to destroy a national, racial, ethnic, or religious group, in whole or in part. These acts include: 

  • Killing members of the group 
  • Causing serious mental or physical harm to members of the group 
  • Deliberately inflicting conditions of life on the group that would cause physical destruction 
  • Imposing measures to prevent births within the group 
  • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

This doesn’t even include the genocidal rhetoric coming from Knesset members.

It’s pretty clear the administration is on its back foot because no one believes Israel or the U.S. Hell, the majority of his base doesn’t agree with him.

This is pretty telling:

Polling on Israel Gaza

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 25 points 6 months ago (2 children)

One thing these figures show is that Republican voters are far more strongly pro-Israel and defensive of its actions in Gaza than Democrats.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago

Who could have possibly seen that coming 🤔

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That’s how it is. You wouldn’t think so the way some members of the left attack other members of the left on Lemmy, but it’s always been mostly Republican support.

Republicans refused to sign the aid bill for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. They then tried to create a standalone bill for Israel, but Biden said he’d veto it. They only came around to signing it after the Iran retaliation.

When Biden paused shipment of arms in order to conduct a State Department investigation of Israel’s acts, House Republicans drafted legislation in an attempt to force the President’s hand to release the shipment.

Republicans have been the primary antagonists in the Israel-Iran proxy war since it started under Reagan. It’s about money and power, nothing else.

It’s also worth noting that 79% of Jewish-Americans are Democrats.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Did not expect to see numbers that low. Fucken hell.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago (9 children)

People who follow polling have been saying this since December.

Liberals on Lemmy like to live in a self-deluded bubble where their blind support for Biden means he stands a chance in November. The fact is he basically can't win with his stance on Gaza. He's not exactly doing great in other regards, but he literally can't win if he doesn't about face.

If he can't win with the policy position, and he won't change the policy position, your only option as a voter is to take your vote elsewhere. Democrats lose the election if they stick with Biden.

Its not too late. We haven't had a convention. Everything can still change. Larger mountains have been moved. If enough likely-Democratic voters show they won't vote for Biden with this position, we can move him, but you have to voice your position now while there is still time for him to pivot.

Likewise, going into the convention, if Biden was smart and cared about the future of our democracy, he could assign his delegates to another candidate. This would allow Biden to bear the burden of the Israeli genocide as being enabled through his foreign policy, allowing the rest of the Democrats to pivot to a policy position that actually sets them up to win in November.

Here is an article from January that explains it:

Democratic delegates are "pledged" rather than "bound" to a candidate, and while party rules say that delegates "shall in all good conscience" reflect the views of those who elected them, Kamarck said there is no penalty if a delegate votes differently. This could make it easier for Democrats to adjust to a highly fraught situation in which the incumbent president has unexpectedly left the picture.

It wouldn't be that different if he suddenly croaked (which is a real possibility for an octogenarian.). Effectively the delegates would go to the convention unpledged, and the decision gets made at the convention.

Smartest move politically would be for Biden to step down now and designate a successor. Its what he should have done instead of running again, but by continuing to run a non-viable candidate, Democrats are giving blue ocean for Trump to win.

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[–] svc@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 37 points 6 months ago

You can be the defense attorney, Joe

[–] theareciboincident@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 6 months ago (11 children)

“They were valid military targets. Hamas is in the hospitals. Hamas is in the tunnels. Hamas is in Tel Aviv.”

“Just a little genocide is worth it to save democracy. Look, I made a funny trolley problem meme to prove it.”

“There is no genocide.”

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[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 32 points 6 months ago

It's ok when you say no genocide afterwards. It's the new no homo.

[–] AAA@feddit.de 28 points 6 months ago

If it's not genocide Netanjahu doesn't have to fear the ICC. And the fastest way to get out of this, would be to go to trial and make his case.

Makes you wonder why he's so angry about it.

[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

What category does baby bombing fall under?

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

Joe cant admit theres a genocide, lest he stand in court besides Bibi as Bibi's weapons supplier and genocide enabler.

[–] menemen@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The headlines says it all about how serious we have to take his words. The ICC didn't even state "genocide" in the warrant request...

That doens't mean it isn't one. But the ICC was intelligent enough to only state war crimes we can witness without a doubt. Genocide would have the "intent" part that might complicate things at this stage.

Here is what the prosecutor stated as reasons for the arrest warrant request for Netanyahu:

  • Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(b)(xxv) of the Statute;

  • Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health contrary to article 8(2)(a)(iii), or cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);

  • Wilful killing contrary to article 8(2)(a)(i), or Murder as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);

  • Intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population as a war crime contrary to articles 8(2)(b)(i), or 8(2)(e)(i);

  • Extermination and/or murder contrary to articles 7(1)(b) and 7(1)(a), including in the context of deaths caused by starvation, as a crime against humanity;

  • Persecution as a crime against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(h);

  • Other inhumane acts as crimes against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(k).

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state

But I think if the process will be allowed to continue despite US pressure "genocide" will be added to the list eventually.

[–] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago

His puppet country can't even defeat its own concentration camp

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Well. Admitting it's true, there's still all the war crime charges which are much more clear cut.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Maybe he's worried about being next to Bibi in the dock. Because he doesn't have much less blood on his hands in that instance.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

I know, let's ask the dead people in those mass graves they're in if it's a genocide.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Oof. Shoot yourself in the dick why don't you.

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