"We’ve entered new political and legal territory as a nation. Donald Trump will now force every GOP candidate to trash our judicial system.”
— Presidential historian Tim Naftali
this post was submitted on 31 May 2024
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Well in that case it will be a true bipartisan effort.
I didn't read the article; the CBS news site isn't the worst, but it employs some of the common, horrible site design patterns, and is painful to read.
However: 34 counts. Each with a maximum possible 4 years incarceration sentence. It increases the odds of some jail time, for at least one or two counts.
The judge is said to be taking a lot of factors into consideration; I hope one is them is the unusually unanimous verdict on such a large number of counts.
Don't forget the threats against the judge and his family, the jury and court staff. Needing a gag order just to keep people safe from intimidation should count for something.
I hope one of the factors considered is the danger to society demonstrated by repeatedly violating court orders to make sure his Trumpanzees target court staff with threats and harassment.
I hope that there is some actual jail time involved, but im expecting 'You will write "I will not create fraudulant business records" on the chalk board 1000 times per count'...
I'd say house arrest is the most likely sentence. Concurrent too, and probably not all 4 years. Secret Service will never work for a prison sentence.
Should the Secret Service be a consideration?
Let's say Trump brutally tortured and sexually abused some pre-teens in a basement in Texas, was tried and convicted and given a death sentance. Does the fact that hrs under the protection of the Secret Service have any bearing on the judgment? Should it?
That said, you're probably right. He'll have to spend a couple of years playing golf at Mar-a-Lago, a truly unjust and extreme punishment 🙄
I hope Biden signs an executive order removing security for anyone eligible during incarceration.
He certainly won’t need it if incarcerated. Prisons have a lot of experience segregating high profile prisoners for the safety of both the inmate and the guards.
Felons go to jail.
Poor people go to jail. Rich felons only go to jail when their victims are richer.
Luckily for America, Trump has less money than ever!
Depends on the crime. But for the most part, yes.
Despite 34 guilty verdicts, they're all the same trial so he's a "first offender".
A normal person would get probation for first time class e felony in NY.
He could get 1-4 years, and it would be justified.
But it's very very unlikely. And even if he does get sentenced, he ain't reporting to jail anytime soon.
Steve Bannon got 4 months over two years ago...
Still hasn't started serving it yet.
They're gonna be a lot more hesitant to send trump to jail, and he has a lot more money for lawyers to stall.
Even with his shitty lawyers, you don't need to be good to stall, and that's always been his legal strategy. To just kick the can down the road.
The very last stall tactic is going to be "I'm too old and ill now, I can't go to jail". In all likelihood, he'd keep stalling till he's dead.
Michael Cohen got 3 years for his part in the scheme.
Cohen took a deal...
That deal included prison...
When you take a deal, you can't really stall as efficiently. Both sides sit down and come to an agreement about how things will happen.
Cohen pleaded guilty to eight counts including campaign-finance violations, tax fraud, and bank fraud. It were more serious allegations.
In an analysis of comparable cases brought by the Manhattan district attorney’s office, about 10% resulted in imprisonment.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Trump was found guilty of falsifying business records to conceal a $130,000 payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels to buy her silence before the 2016 presidential election.
In an analysis of comparable cases brought by the Manhattan district attorney's office, Norm Eisen, who has written a book about Trump's 2020 election-related federal indictment and served as special counsel in the first impeachment of the former president, found that about 10% resulted in imprisonment.
A home detention sentence would also make it possible for Trump to continue campaigning — albeit virtually — with the ability to hold news conferences and remain active on social media.
Throughout the trial, Justice Juan Merchan stressed the importance of allowing Trump the ability to campaign and exercise his First Amendment rights as he seeks another term in the White House.
There are a number of factors that the court can take into consideration for sentencing, including the nature and extent of the conduct, who was hurt, whether there are victims, and acceptance of responsibility, Horwitz said.
During the trial, Trump was accused over a dozen times of violating a gag order preventing him from making public comments about likely witnesses, jurors, attorneys and court staff involved in the case.
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No, he's not, and people need to understand this.