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Them in 2016: "He's not LITERALLY a fascist"
Them in 2024: "Okay he's openly announcing his intent to be a dictator and get rid of the 'others' who are 'poisoning our blood', but unless it's from the Bavarian area of Germany, it's just sparkling authoritarianism. Besides, Biden is just as bad!"
The Bavarian area of Germany?
Hitler was Austrian and at least in Germany people use this saying with Italian Mussolini style fascism or even just German
I know it started in Munich but calling it Bavarian in origin is a bit unusual
It’s just a skooch of humor, not an academic treatise.
Oh, I see you’re in Germany. Well, that probably didn't come across the same as it did here. Sorry - carry on.
Bavaria is the Texas of Germany; the only state most foreigners know of.
I remember once of my coworkers saying, "I hear what you're saying about Trump having issues, but I feel like we need to try something different, and the president doesn't really have that much power anyway, so there's not much he can do."
Now he passionately hates Trump and tries to avoid any conversation about Trump voters because he was one.
Honestly, I thought trump running for president was the funniest thing ever. There was no way the idiot would win and at least the political season would have a clown to laugh at. I could not have been so wrong by Nov. I mean he made his announcement for candidacy descending a golden fucking escalator. From there he never stopped being a beyond parody asshole born from corporate America…and to this day I cannot really grasp how he became that popular. Although, I have strong feelings that much of it is born out of reaction to Obama’s presidency
I'm so completely with you. I was maybe a tiny bit less surprised because I have a coworker why travels a lot across middle America and he said he heard a lot of people talking about needing a change and Trump being a "man of the people" (which is objectively insane to say). I agree with you, though: a lot was in reaction to Obama, especially to having a black president.
It being immediately post-Obama and Trump being the only candidate willing to be insanely overly racist basically sealed him in as the Republican candidate. There is a large portion of white America that could not cope with a black man being president, much less for two terms. They had basically a decade where they were getting more and more riled up by every right wing talk show can you can imagine. Satan himself would have been elected if he dropped a hard R n-bomb on TV.
For sure. And that's after McConnell and the others overtly said they were working hard to block anything he tried to do, to ensure he was a one term president. The number of filibusters was insane. And still he was a well regarded president.
As someone from and currently still living in middle America, Trump winning wasn't surprising in the least. Part of me still blames the Democrats and "coastal left" in general for not paying enough attention to what has been going on here over the last thirty years. There was a time when these states could have become a bulwark for leftism with the right campaigning and political tactics, but by ignoring and culturally minimizing them it guaranteed that Christo-fascism would take hold. Ultimately though, people's choices are their own, it's just not worth it anymore and my husband and I are moving to New England in August and never looking back.
You really shouldn’t discount the role of russian propagandists and hackers. They were synchronized at the perfect moment in time when the boomers lost they damned minds and started posting insane screeds on the interwebs.
The democrats did this themselves too. How delusional do you have to be to go all in with HRC. Bernie would have won and that scared the Neolibs and the DNC too much
At least he is sane enough to regret it, unlike massive swaths of dimwits across the country.
I agree. I honestly think his demographic was key to Biden winning.
Eight years of Obama telling everyone his hands were tied because of Congress and the Courts and the states and public opinion and the need to win the next election cycle.
Trump comes in like a wrecking ball, giving his goon squad cover to do anything they pleased. And after four years of that, we were convinced Presidents are powerful after all.
Then Biden steps into office and the President can't do anything again.
Right, because Republicans only care about getting their way and Democrats try to play by the rules and tradition. It gets pretty frustrating.
If they have no problems with impropriety, blatantly breaking established norms and laws, and getting impeached a couple times, a President can do quite a bit!
Someone I know who voted for McCain because she said "liberals don't care enough about individual rights" went psychotic on her Republican friends when he was elected. I asked her if she understood if voting for Sarah Palin laid the ground work for this and she unfriended me.
A heartfelt "fuck you" to everyone who told me I was overreacting in July of 2016.
I actually blame myself for all of this, after Barry(who is still pretty problematic) got reelected in 2012 I kinda figured that eventually all the bullshit would work itself out and stopped paying too much attention to politics. Then the history major in me woke up in that July and now realize I must be forever vigilant
My god when Trump did his presidential announcement way back when, I was thinking this is going to be a weird few months while he does this publicity thing and then doesn’t get elected and we’ll never talk about him again until his next weird announcement. Here we are 8 years later. What a ride it’s been. I literally don’t think we could have come up with this in 2012. We wouldn’t have been creative enough.
I loved the interview when he was like ''mexicans, man fuck all of them racially'' and the wet nossle shit stick interviewing him is all ''oh that sounds quite racist... try saying hispanic or Latino people and say it's only the illegal ones you hate, it sounds less openly racist''
Like, good job asshole, you just helped him convince the stupidest non racists around that he's not openly racist. We really needed that to happen. His constant grooming to say shit that ment what he still always ment but wasn't just unbelievably blatant really pissed me off. How about DON'T help him, ask questions like 'what IS wrong with the blacks' and let him speak his mind. Why are you fucking helping him!!
But you know. Ratings were so good....
Yeah, when he entered the race, it was hilarious. You were able to distance yourself from the hilarious things and the horrible things he'd say about Marco Rubio, or Ted Cruz, or JEB! (please clap) Bush, because he'd never win. But as he crept closer to the nomination, it got less funny and more horrifying every day.
I'll admit that for a week I said, "he won, let's see what he can do" and quickly learned that he was absolutely the douche everyone was saying he would be.
As someone who also fell into that boat once upon a time as well, it's crazy to me that people can look back and say "oh he did a good job, we totally need four more years of that".
For me it lasted until the first press conference.
Me in 2016: "Weeeeelp I guess we'll see if these checks and balances work"
Me in 2024: "Somehow I'm still not sure"
Them in 2016: Institutions will save us!
Them in 2021: inchoate screaming
Remember those first 90 days or so when Republicans were dead convinced that Trump was going to pivot at any moment and start acting more presidential?
Yeah, they gave up on that eventually and moved the goalposts, as usual.
Guys! He's just acting retarded to appeal to us retards! He'll be presidential once he's in the white house!
I don't think they even realized how idiotic they were being.
I just hate how short lived people's memory is... After W there shouldn't have been a Republican president for the next 50 years... Yet people forgot after 8....now it seems even worse because you've got morons on here already bOtH sIdInG like the fucking orange traitor never happened.
I took election day off and went to see Dr. Strange. I had been waiting 33 years for that movie so it is no surprise that it was a disappointment. Then, to see the exit polling was like a stab to the heart. What a crappy day.
Yeah but watching the President have a twitter spat with Kim Jong Un was pretty funny.
I was about 30% convinced that that Twitter feud was going to lead to North Korea firing nukes at the US. Trump just wouldn’t shut his mouth and I was freaking out.
Agreed. I didn't find it funny, I found it terrifying. World leaders behaving like literal children.
My face is stuck in a permanent "YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER" meme because of these people.
Imagine getting put into a coma at the end of 2015 and waking up going online. You have to contend with the fact that yes, Trump for president was real, that people voted for him, that he is running for his second term and its an inconsecutive term. And that is all shit related to the elections nothing about 1/6, covid or ukraine.
The worst part is those SAME people are claiming we are overreacting about the real chance he wins again...
Not me. I was a myopic "you are overreacting" person in 2016. I didn't like Hillary, but I also didn't think DT would win, and if he did I didn't think he would be much worse, just bad in different ways.
I admit that I was shortsighted, uninformed, and completely wrong. On the upside, I pay way more attention than I used to, and I have been disabused of my notion that nothing would ever change (for better or worse) as a result of the pendulum of politics.
A heartfelt "fuck you" to everyone.