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[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 81 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Some said they basically "do nothing all day" except work on themselves through yoga, hobbies, creative projects, and seeing friends.

Some people do nothing all day except live their lives.

[–] Gucci_Minh@hexbear.net 48 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm just wondering if they have rich parents or saved up from when they were working or something. Everyone I know including myself literally cannot afford to not work.

[–] Chronicon@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I know one or two people who were or are NEETs in the US. Your family doesn't have to be particularly wealthy to do it, but its not as nice sounding the described self-care lifestyle if you have no money, transportation, friends, etc.

One was from a fairly poor family that lucked into a paid off house in a neighborhood that later gentrified, and just stayed at home with their parents until like age 25 not going out a lot and working only one or two short term jobs from age 18-25. Eventually got a more stable job and then a SO and moved out, but since the main cost of living at home was just feeding themselves, it wasn't a huge financial burden on the parents. The house was a hoard and the parents will probably be in dire straits once they can't live unassisted any more but for now they are stable and could still support a kid or two. A childhood of more significant poverty gave them some skills/habits in terms of living very frugally.

The other I would say was more lower middle class (insofar as that means anything), parents both teachers/artists, had a lot of health issues that resulted in intermittent periods of years living the NEET life throughout their 20s, but eventually got their various conditions under control and finished college and is now looking for a job but can't find anything for the past 6+ months.

But that's going by a more conventional conception of a NEET. Honestly the people "idling" the article mentions are probably more likely young white collar professionals with enough savings to live for 6 months or whatever, or that have rich parents, and aren't desperate enough to take some job that's going to treat them like shit and pay like shit. This is temporary for them, not a sustainable lifestyle.

[–] grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I guess my brother has been a NEET most of his adult life. He's been in jail, rehab, or living at our parents' almost since he was born. He's occasionally had a job, but probation made that hard. IIRC he had to call up his probation officer every morning to find out if he had to drive a county over for a random drug screening that day, which would eat 3+ hours. It's hard to hold down a fast food gig if you can't plan your hours a day in advance.

[–] Chronicon@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago

christ, yeah... involuntary neet. absolutely ridiculous the stuff they put people through just for having previously done time

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 51 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Gen Z is living in a world that clearly and articulately explains how much it wants to exploit the ever living shit out of them and then that world is surprised when they go bugs-no

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 41 points 3 months ago

My grandpa was exploited. I was exploited. And god damn I'm making sure my kids and fucking grand kids are exploited too! harold-manic

[–] TheSpectreOfGay@hexbear.net 50 points 3 months ago (4 children)

im a NEET for now bc i can't find a fucking job

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Fr. I’ve wasted so much of my 20s solely because there are simply no jobs to be had. Every pork got super picky and refuses to settle for anyone who isn’t senior level.

Landlords for whatever reason think poor people don’t exist and will charge you 2k for a studio with a straight face, especially if you’re in a place that doesn’t want to actively annihilate any non-white in the vicinity.

[–] RION@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

Reserve army of labor gang rise up.

[–] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago

I recently found a job, but damn it was easily the longest I had been without a job (3-3.5 months) I have no idea why it was so hard to find a job this go around but it’s never been like that before anecdotally.

[–] Jew@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago

That was me until February but I recently found a decent gig. I even get to take the train every day. Sending positive energy for you to find something decent soon too!

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 43 points 3 months ago

Wanting to be a neet but having no idea how to get money without a job

[–] SnowySkyes@hexbear.net 41 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm a NEET, but that's by choice. I'm a housewife and my household needs me in that respect.

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don’t think housekeeper or child rearing count as NEET. These count as “employment” for these purposes I think?

When people talk about NEETs they definitely aren’t talking about housewives

[–] LeylaLove@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

Child/house care is often considered a second shift,

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 38 points 3 months ago

"Retirement" whatever the fuck that is, is out of the hands of pretty much anyone under 50+ at this point and most people my age know this.

[–] Philosophosphorous@hexbear.net 33 points 3 months ago (3 children)

i really wish i had a job i could handle, ive had a mental health/autistic/OCD/PTSD breakdown at every job i've had. at one food delivery driver job i had to actively concentrate on not driving into oncoming traffic to end it all, it was exhausting mentally and physically and emotionally. no one at any of the jobs i've had would even talk to me or try to be friends, they were already friends with everyone else there (all highschoolers, younger enough than me that we had nothing in common - which is true for all other age groups as well since i'm an unlikeable weirdo) and ignored me, i just stood silently in the corner when no one needed me to do something in particular. i'm not good enough at math (number dyslexia maybe? i cannot even keep numbers straight during simple addition or subtraction, i need a calculator to do any kind of multiplication or division) to 'lrn2code', i have involuntary psycho-physical responses to social situations (my face and hands get tingly and numb), i'm too ugly to be a youtuber or streamer (i have had bad acne that doesn't go away even though i wash all the time and have tried several treatments, for my entire life, even now into my 30s), and i've just given up on ever making any money with art since i can't force myself to bother creating anything even though i have more free time than anyone could possibly ever need - it's just a draining psychodrama of self-worth and failure. I am already exhausted, i am at my absolute wit's end just trying to 'tread water' in my failperson life arc, it's already nearly impossible for me to pretend like i'm not constantly thinking about suicide so that those around me aren't disturbed or upset. and then my dad uses every chance he gets to shoehorn 'get a job' into conversations and its like 'i am fully aware of how fucked i am and am doing my best to not panic as i ride the conveyor belt to poverty and shortly thereafter death, the amount of times i have been lectured is not the primary obstacle to me finding stable employment' and i'm still better off than like 90% of people because i have a less-toxic-than-average family that doesn't charge me rent (yet) so i feel like a douchebag for even bothering to process my experiences while people out there get genocided and forced into agricultural slave labor and mining at gunpoint. don't even get me started on how impossible it is to even consider any kind of relationship or romance in this context, even if there were people interested in me (which there will never be as i am apparently the Least Relatable Person Ever), i would have no 'space' for them, i would only be a mental and emotional drain on others.

[–] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

i'm too ugly to be a youtuber or streamer

Could you use a digital avatar?

[–] Mountain_Mike_420@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

In all honesty you probably need the help of some medical that will help with the anxiety and panic attacks. It might take a few tries to find the right pills and right doses but those thoughts and feelings should go away.

Decent jobs to look for are staff at medical or other professional businesses. Think accountants and lawyers. The pay is decent, the hours are mostly normal, and the environment is clean. Good luck. One day at a time.

[–] Mountain_Mike_420@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

In all honesty you probably need the help of some medical that will help with the anxiety and panic attacks. It might take a few tries to find the right pills and right doses but those thoughts and feelings should go away.

Decent jobs to look for are staff at medical or other professional businesses. Think accountants and lawyers. The pay is decent, the hours are mostly normal, and the environment is clean. Good luck. One day at a time.

[–] LGOrcStreetSamurai@hexbear.net 32 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I ain’t mad at NEETS, I just feel bad for the katz who can’t choose to be NEETS. MOST of the NEETS I know are good and decent people but they all have rich parents. I know a lot katz who would love to just vibe and take things easy but they gotta pay bills. It just kind of a bummer that you can’t be slacker without external financial support these days.

No shame to the NEET comrades though, they ain’t hurting anyone.

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

What does katz mean or are you just using it to describe folks?

[–] LGOrcStreetSamurai@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I’m a black man and I use a substitute “Katz” because I grew up in an area where you used “katz” instead of “dudes”, “folk”. Just a regional/cultural vernacular thing. Nothing major

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Ah gotcha, thought it was an abbreviation like NEET that I didn’t know about. Sorry for being a lame nerd

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago

Sorry for being a lame nerd

I'm going to start ending all communications this way.

Sorry for being a lame nerd

[–] LGOrcStreetSamurai@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Nah you're good man. No worries. :-)

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

If it isn't to identifiable can I ask where this is common?

[–] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

Also curious

[–] dayna@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 3 months ago

So I’m a meet and have been for a while.

I have had rich people take care of me and I am grateful, but it’s not entirely by choice. At least not for me.

I’m too disabled to integrate into society, but not disabled enough to receive support. Living as a sugar baby is the most stable my life has ever been during adulthood, and it gives me the room I need to work on my ptsd.

What I think is wild is how it takes an incredible amount of time, and basically zero responsibilities for me to work through my trauma, and basically no one else gets that opportunity. They just die basically.

I want people to work 5 hours a week, and all society progress to slow. Just redistribute everything and we’d be fine as a planet. 😔

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

porky-scared-flipped: “WhAt Is WiTh AlL tHe NEETS!1!?!?!”m

OH MY FUCKING GOD, HIRE PEOPLE YOU WORTHLESS FUCK! SO MUCH FOR TRICKLE DOWN!

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Another example of making up words to get mad about.

NEET would have been "people not willing to be scammed.

Now you're expected to let people take advantage of you or you're doing aonething wrong.

Wild that people wont work a job if the full time job doesn't pay them enough to live.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

At this point I wish the scam was still there. I don’t know what the hell got into porky, but all of them are super picky now and refuse to hire anymore, especially at the entry level. What few jobs you see are usually senior level or a fucking C-suite job.

[–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I haven't had a single job where I haven't had to undergo weeks of training and months of building muscle memory to become adept at, yet every fucking job posting seems to demand years if not decades of experience and dedicated expensive training programs/education/certification, even for the most basic shit

Like what the fuck for? Give me a week's crash course and let me loose, there's nothing about 80% of (non-specialist, I'm obviously not talking about doctors or engineers or whatnot) jobs that someone can't figure out on the fly

[–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 months ago

In programming they want someone who contributes as much as the other employees from day 1. It strikes me as deeply unrealistic.

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 30 points 3 months ago

I'm blessed enough to be working at Langley. I get a lot of bandwidth to do as I see fit. The work that I get to do is cooler and more fulfilling than sitting idly. I hope to never take that for granted or change it in pursuit of a payday. I dread the CIA collapsing because the idea that I'd go back to working under some bastard makes my spine crawl. Nothing but respect for my NEETs who undermine the fourth reich. Working is as bad as it seems. rat-salute-2

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 29 points 3 months ago

Uh yeah they basically got me. Until I need money or feel like it, I will not feel compelled to sell my labor to a capitalist for a loss. I'm quite good at keeping myself entertained it turns out.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

hey it's me (i'm disabled so not exactly "by choice" but i just about prefer being NEET to forcing myself to work, lol. hoping to go back to school in the future though sadness )

[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

honestly the only reason i'm not a NEET is that I can't stand not having anything to do all day. I prefer having a job over trying to figure out how to fill my time all week

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] LeylaLove@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Eventually you build a tolerance and the weed doesn't help with that anymore :/

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago

Me between the ages 19 to 31

[–] OperationOgre@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago

A bit tangential but NEETs are called NINIs in Spain which I think is very funny

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Makes sense. The end goal of working (for the majority of people, anyway) is to have enough money to be able not to work anymore. If you don't need that money, why bother?

[–] tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

I've struggled with employment all my life, I've been NEET as a period though my family still expected to find my own food, rides, etc, they just provided a place to stay. I was required to do things at home to try to counter as well. All the NEETs I've known IRL have never been NEETing by choice, its always been forced by economics and luck that they either have family to crash with or had cars to stay in.

[–] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago