I'm going to vote for policy, not a person. I don't agree with Trump on anything, so I'll vote for Biden.

This country is cooked with these two as the choices. Biden looked awful, and Trump didn't answer anything at all. Trump gets a pass on never having any substance to his replies. It is just jokes and insults.

Oh. My. God.

It's literally two old-as-fuck fucks arguing about their golf swings. This is literally how the debate is coming to a close. I just... I don't even know what to say.

The moderators should be ashamed of themselves.

Trump hasn't answered a single question in 20 mins.

"I just wanna go back to that."

They are allowing gish galloping like a motherfucker and Biden has to defend himself from a thousand lies AND answer the question asked while Trump spews bullshit unending.

WE ARE SO FUCKED

I seriously doubt it but I really hope this is a wake-up call for Democrats. I remain convinced that Biden voluntarily stepping down and permitting a younger more charismatic figure in his place will be all that is needed to win, and I say this for a few reasons:

• By the polling, age is a huge issue for a significant majority of Americans, with it clearly harming Biden more.
• Any youthful semi-in-the-shadows candidate will be fresh for Americans, who will be excited for anything different.
• The right-wing talking-points won't be pre-written.
• By Biden & Democrats getting ahead of this and saying, "look we recognize the electorate's concerns and what's at stake and we know the people by large majorities don't want either President, so we're responding," they would get major points.

Call it a reverse-October surprise.

That being said, this is the earliest debate ever and Trump still needs to go through sentencing in July. People won't really remember this debate, but it certainly did not help Biden in any capacity.

Jon Stewart was kind of brutal:

"Lots of people have 'resting 25th amendment face.'"

What the fuck are the moderators even there for?

So much time is being taken with, "let me keep talking about the question from ten minutes ago and ignore what you just asked."

Sorry people with children. The question that focused on your issues were just skipped over.

Fucking no fact checking is insanity.

This is literally constant stream of bullshit from Trump.

The elimination of the First Past the Post voting system would allow voters to support third-party candidates without the fear of causing a spoiler effect. This change would promote greater competition in elections, improving the caliber of candidates available to all voters. Also, it is likely to boost voter turnout and increase political engagement.

Electoral reform has already been achieved at the state level; Alaska and Maine have successfully implemented changes to their electoral systems, demonstrating that broader reform is feasible.

However, Republicans have taken steps to preserve the First Past the Post voting system. For instance, Florida recently outlawed Ranked Choice voting. Despite this setback, there are numerous alternatives to First Past the Post, ensuring that bans like Florida’s do not obstruct progress toward electoral reform.

This raises the question: why do predominantly Democratic states continue to utilize First Past the Post voting? Why continueto use a voting system favored by Republicans? In states controlled by Democrats, there are no Republican obstacles preventing these reforms.

It is evident that Democrats recognize the shortcomings of First Past the Post voting. Mentioning third-party voting on social media often prompts numerous Democrats to caution against “wasting” votes that could inadvertently benefit Republicans. It is perplexing to acknowledge flaws in the voting system yet fail to take action to address them. Lecturing others about the drawbacks of First Past the Post voting while neglecting to pursue solutions is contradictory and counterproductive.

Here are some videos on the topic if you’d like to know more:

First Past The Post voting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

Other electoral systems to choose from:

Alternative vote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE

Ranked Choice voting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z2fRPRkWvY

Range Voting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3GFG0sXIig

Single Transferable Vote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI

STAR voting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-mOeUXAkV0

Mixed Member Proportional representation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0I-sdoSXU

Why do we only get 90 minutes. Why do they only get 1 minute to answer. Sit the down and have an actual discussion damnit. You're trying to run a country not win a talent show. I want hear how their brains work, not their mouths.

We live in a world where Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho is more electable than the candidates we have.

I figured Idiocracy was prescient, but it's coming true awfully fast.

Trump is playing pigeon chess. Strutting around, telling lies, shitting all over everything, and will leave telling everyone he won.

No policy debate. Zero.

I’m voting for Biden still bc Trump is a piece of shit, but Biden is coming off old and weak in this debate. Trump is lying his ass off about everything and not getting called out on any of it, and because he’s spouting so much of it so quickly rapid-fire, it’s obfuscating and confusing the issues.

If Biden is going to be replaced it has to be a huge name like AOC or Bernie. It’s too late to campaign anyone newer

This should have been on CSPAN.

He’s not answering Jan 6 directly.

And he’s blaming Pelosi? For Jan 6? Did I hear that right?

Listening to more of the analysis and clips from the debate, Biden's performance reminded me of high school and college presentations where students over-prepared by following a very rigid, memorized script but derail because they forget a single key word or trigger. This isn't a very robust presentation strategy that can easily fail even with younger minds, let alone someone in their 80s.

I guess...

Biden fucked up. But I don't think this really changes anything.

Nobody is voting for Biden because we like him. We are voting for him because we give a shit about human rights and democracy. And democrats generally are good at actually listening to what is being said because... we want things.

republicans hate biden and are just happy they heard that brown people are killing and raping everyone. Nothing changed there

What Biden needed to do was win over the dumbass moderate/"undecided" voters. Which... is not talking points or policy. It is strongman bullshit. And that... is going to almost be entirely up to The Internet. Do we focus on Biden stuttering and having aphasia that he has had for decades? Or do we focus on trump blatantly lying and still talking about asking Nancy Pelosi to lead an insurrection for him?

John Oliver and the rest of the late night hosts are going to be working overtime to remind the country that having a deranged fascist in charge is bad. The Hasans of the world are going to keep talking about "Genocide Joe" because they are useful idiots, at best. But... I don't know beyond that.'

That said, I do think about the questionably accurate story that nixon (ugh) won his debate against kennedy (lesser ugh) among radio versus television listeners.

Biden mostly won in terms of text. He lost in terms of audio. But... people live on twitter and social media. How many people are going to be watching clips versus reading excerpts and tweets?

The quote of the night: “President Trump, the question was…”

Wow, I didn't see it as I was working. It was somehow worse than I thought even after reading all the threads. Biden should not be there. I will be voting for whomever the democrats nominate because the alternative is worse, but the US is so fucked.

"I had the best environmental numbers ever," whatever that means, is hilarious for Trump to say

This was the single hardest thing to watch in my entire life. RIP usa your fates sealed

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-election-debate-trump-biden-577507522762aa10f6ee5be3a0ced2bb

This is promising. Trump just lies (surprised face), Biden just exaggerates or makes small speaking errors. (Among all the brain farts and studdering)

I watched some of it. Super embarrassing for Biden. Added all the fodder Fox needs to make edits and clips until the end of time.

All the post-debate commentary basically says everyone they're hearing from in the party and undecided voters were like... yeah, we are fucked.

They have even made the point that he's not technically the nominee until the convention twice so far. I.e., we need a new candidate.

And it CAN'T BE KAMALA.

The problem is that the debate doesn’t really change much… except for low information and undecided voters. They don’t know what Trump is spewing and whether it’s a lie or not. When he makes up wild claims that Biden is unanimously declared worst president in history, they don’t know that’s a lie, or that Trump is lying about capping the price of insulin or the existence of 9 month elective abortions, etc. Trump’s confident lies actually win over a lot of undecided people who don’t do any research into the topic.