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[-] GJdan@programming.dev 14 points 2 days ago
[-] halferect@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Oh no! Won't someone think of the poor automakers!

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They should be very concerned. However they have the advantage of time, place, protectionism. They already have factories and employees. The technology is known. They’re admitting they are aware of the market. The only way they can lose is if they don’t even try ….

We’ve spent years saying how short sighted they are to not be able to look ahead of the immediate term, now they’re admitting they can’t even look ahead 2-3 years

[-] Pat_Riot 100 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Or , hear me out, what if US auto makers stop trying to force overpriced oversized trash on us? Maybe try to compete?

[-] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

It's not due to a lack of will. They can't produce cars as cheaply because they've spent the last 50 years closing factories and buying back their own stock while China invested in their industrial capacity.

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

They get a lot of bribes from the oil industry. This is about sabotage, not competition.

You don't want a giant ass pickup truck that drives like a tank, takes up 1.5 times the parking space and goes 8 miles on the gallon?

[-] Pat_Riot 14 points 3 days ago

No, I want a light pickup from the 80s or 90s but with a warranty and a full size bed and no back seat. Y'know, something kinda utilitarian. A fucking Ranger is bigger now than an F-150 was in 2000. An F-150 is a goddamn SUV with a worthless 4 foot bed. What the hell is that good for?

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

they had decades to prepare for this. if the past is any indication they would rather milk that cow to death and act surprised when it isnt a viable long term strategy.

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[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 44 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Why is competition for US auto makers a bad thing ?

[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Because "free markets, competition, being voluntary" are propaganda by capitalists using their owned media and purchased government to make its victims double as its defenders.

The goal of market capitalism is to end competition often by buying out up and coming rivals to kill the threat, manipulate the markets to your advantage using anything from bribery to cost benefit analysis of potential consequences/fines for sociopathic actions to potential profits, and conspire with your economic sector to coerce the workers you need into accepting less.

This is just expanded indentured servitude with a marketing team.

[-] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago

This isn't competition, it sounds like the CCP heavily subsidises the manufacture, in an attempt to kill the American industry off.

Thinking in decades or centuries is a very powerful tool!

[-] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

The US subsidizes their EV industry twice as much as China. The real why China can do this is because the US has gutted their industrial base in favor of financialization while China built up their industrial base.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

This isn’t competition, it sounds like the CCP heavily subsidises the manufacture

China: "Here, have a bunch of cheap electric vehicles to replace your aging fleet of ICE engines. Don't worry, we're picking up a part of the tab."

Americans: "What a great deal! We'll buy them in droves."

State Government: "Not so fast! This wouldn't be fair to honest, hard working domestic car companies like Tesla and Volvo and Toyota."

Thinking in decades or centuries is a very powerful tool!

Shame we're only capable of thinking about the next quarter's profits.

[-] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 10 points 2 days ago

There's something very amusing about the nominally communist China beating the capitalist powerhouse USA at its own game.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Large professional centrally planned economies do a better job of managing scarce resources than a pack of ill-informed and uncoordinated Wall Street Lemmings.

[-] WildPalmTree@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Sometimes. And when they dont, there is no one to stop them. It's the age old problem of a wise despot. Just dressed in different clothes.

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[-] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

Because we don't like free markets. We like the illusion of choice, but the security of monopoly.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 59 points 3 days ago

Yeah well, fuck the American auto industry for not joining the 21st century.

[-] Stamau123@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago

It's like when they dragged their feet making fuel efficient cars after the oil crisis

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago

I remember that time, when American car makers screamed bloody murder because Honda was killing them. Good times.

[-] Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

Ya if they want to survive its time to adapt and compete. This is what complacency sets up and I don't feel bad for them at all. They saw this coming and probably just sat there expecting a bailout.

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[-] Rooskie91@discuss.online 46 points 3 days ago

Sounds like US automaker higher prices are the actual threat.

[-] ChocoboRocket@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

For what it's worth, a government can absolutely subsidized an industry in an attempt to capture a foreign market.

There's a reason Japan and Korea have their own auto industries despite being next door to the largest manufacturing nation on earth, and it isn't because they're somehow making and distributing them for even less than China.

That being said, several automakers have blindfolded themselves about the type of cars people want. I do hope this threat is significant enough that automakers actually shift to mini-electric transportation options.

If not, I'd be happy enough buying a small Chinese electric even if the taxes made it equivalent to a larger "western" vehicle. Because it's what I want to have available to me and it's nice to fuck capitalists with capitalism.

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[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I doubt I will ever buy from the Big 3 again. Bailout parasites. Tried of these piece of shit too big too fail corps pulling this crap.

My next car will be a Chinese EV, if I have to drive it over the Mexican border myself.

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[-] toofpic@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

Yeah, automakers pose a threat to automakers!

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

What? A full body crumple zone vehicle!? Where do I sign up!?

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